New ‘cheaper’ F1 power units a sham | DN&C 03/03/16

 

Reform will not get off the ground – McLaren will veto other teams getting Honda engines and 12 million euro cost unachievable due to ‘extras’ not taken into account

Summary:


  • it was agreed to lower engine prices by €2m for 2017 and to bring the price down to €12m for 2018 (teams were initially promised a price of €10m)
  • €12m/year price is misleading, as it does not include all costs the teams will face

  • engine package only includes 6 engines and 5 engineers per team; 5 additional engineers required to support the engines, for which manufacturers will charge extra
  • fuel and oil are also not included; Petronas, Mobil, Shell, and Total want up to €3m/year; teams have to buy the most recent fuel and oil developments, as they are specific to each engine specification
  • extra costs bring total price close to the current price

  • FIA want to oblige each manufacturer to supply a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 4 teams when asked to
  • Ron Dennis says he could not vote in favour of such an agreement, as it would mean breaking his contract with Honda
  • his contract with Honda states a maximum of 2 teams in 2017 and Dennis has a veto right
  • Dennis suggest all existing engine supply contracts should be terminated, which was strongly opposed by Mercedes customers
  • Ecclestone, again, threatens to introduce V8s with KERS

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Credit to r/Moctecus

 

 

More F1 News

Drivers appear unhappy with the changes to quali

Formula 1’s uncertain situation over its qualifying format took a fresh turn on Wednesday when drivers spoke out against plans to introduce an elimination system in a meeting with F1 race director Charlie Whiting.

As part of a wider plan to consult drivers more about F1’s rules, Whiting summoned those present at the test to a gathering on Wednesday evening.

Behind closed doors in the FIA motorhome, Whiting met with several drivers – including Kimi Raikkonen, Sebastian Vettel, Nico Rosberg, Felipe Massa and Sergio Perez – to discuss a host of matters including the new qualifying session.

The discussions appeared to be quite heated at times and afterwards Perez told Sky that there was clear opposition from drivers about proposals to change qualifying.

“We are obviously not very happy with the new plans they want to implement,” Perez said. “Let’s see if they can change it.

“We felt that it could be very complicated for the fans to understand – it’s complicated for us already.

“We also felt that qualifying is really good at the moment and there is no reason to change that.”

motorsport.com

 

TJ13 - Revised quali will be:

Q1

  • 16 minutes
  • After 7 minutes, slowest driver eliminated
  • Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag
  • 7 drivers eliminated, 15 progress to Q2

Q2

  • 16 minutes
  • After 7 minutes, slowest driver eliminated
  • Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag
  • 7 drivers eliminated, 8 progress to Q3

Q3

  • 12 minutes
  • 8 drivers battle for pole position

 

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Hamilton: I have nothing to prove against Fernando Alonso

Lewis Hamilton says he would have nothing to prove if he was paired as a team-mate to Fernando Alonso again.

Alonso has revealed that a deal was proposed by his management team two years ago that would have seen the Spaniard and Hamilton swap their seats at Ferrari and Mercedes.

Nico Rosberg, Hamilton’s current team-mate at Mercedes, is in the final year of his existing deal with the Silver Arrows while Alonso’s decision to leave Ferrari to return to McLaren has been described as a “terrible mistake” by Sky F1 pundit Martin Brundle.

But Hamilton has scoffed at talk in the paddock that Mercedes might consider pairing him with Alonso in a rekindling of the partnership which imploded spectacularly in 2007 when they were team-mates at McLaren.

“I don’t care who I race against,” Hamilton told Sky Sports News HQ. “I’m happy with what we have here. We’ve already raced together in the same car and got a result so it’s not like anything else needs proving.”

Hamilton and Alonso finished 2007 with the same amount of points but the Englishman – then a rookie – was classified ahead.

TJ13 - read yesterdays DN&C for Alonso story

 

‘Clearly a gain’ from Honda update – Eric Boullier

Honda introduced a new specification of engine for the second week of testing at the Circuit de Catalunya, with McLaren accumulating 93 laps on Tuesday. The upgrade is closer to the engine the team plans to run at the Australian Grand Prix on March 20.

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“There is clearly a gain and it is good to see we have more potential coming,” Boullier said on Wednesday. “It’s still very early days so we need to put more mileage, and there is more experience to be gained on how to use and exploit this. But so far, for sure, more potential.”

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Ricciardo thinks he “will definitely take up” Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s offer to race in a NASCAR

Back in October, NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. offered Australian Formula One driver Daniel Ricciardo an “open invite” to race for his NASCAR XFINITY team:

When asked in London last week if he would still be interested in taking Dale Jr. up on his offer, Ricciardo replied: “I would love to,” according to a report on Autoweek.com.

“To be honest, I didn’t get to a point where I asked Christian,” added Ricciardo, referring to the Red Bull team principal Christian Horner. “If I did it, I would want to do it properly. I would hate to go there and get my ass kicked basically. Then it looks bad on F1 as well. The cars would be so different, I would want to make sure that I tested and got comfortable.

“In the calendar there were some races that I could do which didn’t clash, but the question was when could I do the testing. This is even before asking Red Bull, but just in my mind I was like, ‘When could I test? When could I get to America?’”

foxsports.com

 

Mercedes, Lewis and Max become nominees at Laureus World Sports Awards

Laureus Sports Awards 2016 nomination include Lewis Hamilton (Sportman of the Year), Max Verstappen (Breakthrough) and Mercedes F1 (Team of the Year)

Lewis Hamilton

xxxx during the Australian Formula One Grand Prix at Albert Park on March 15, 2015 in Melbourne, Australia.

Secured his second straight Formula One World Championship and his third overall, at the United States Grand Prix, winning the title with three races still remaining. Driving for the dominant Mercedes AMG Petronas team, he won ten Grand Prix during the year, had seven additional podium finishes, 11 pole positions and eight fastest laps. Won the Laureus World Breakthrough Award in 2008.

Max Verstappen

xxxx during the Abu Dhabi Formula One Grand Prix at Yas Marina Circuit on November 29, 2015 in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates.

Became youngest ever Formula One driver at 17 years 166 days. Son of former F1 driver Jos Verstappen, he competes for Toro Rosso and was fourth in both Hungarian and US Grand Prix. He finished 12th in the World Championship with 49 points. Was named F1 Rookie of the Year and Personality of the Year and received the Action of the Year award for his overtaking at Spa.

Mercedes AMG Petronas

 

ABU DHABI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - NOVEMBER 29: Nico Rosberg of Germany and Mercedes GP celebrates with his team, including Lewis Hamilton of Great Britain and Mercedes GP, outside the garage after winning the Abu Dhabi Formula One Grand Prix at Yas Marina Circuit on November 29, 2015 in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. (Photo by Mark Thompson/Getty Images)

Won their second straight Constructors’ World Championship, with Lewis Hamilton winning the drivers’ title again. Between them, Hamilton and fellow driver Nico Rosberg won 16 of the 19 Grand Prix. The team is led by principal Toto Wolff, technical director Paddy Lowe and non-executive Chairman Niki Lauda. The team finished with 703 points, with nearest rivals Ferrari on 428.

laureus.com

 

 

Live video from Barcelona via Periscope

F1 fan Mike Lawrence (@hondalover55) is at the test this week and is posting live video via periscope, follow him and catch some footage via this link.

 

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19 responses to “New ‘cheaper’ F1 power units a sham | DN&C 03/03/16

  1. Many Lols today. But fear not, no animals were hurt as a result of my chortling.

    RE: Engine Cost Cap / Dennis Veto

    Lol, Ronaldennisho – F1’s obstinate and unabating ointment-fly. His myopic focus on the details and semantics is paradoxically his strength and his weakness. I would have loved to have had the opportunity to be a part of a Spanky/Mr.E/Ronaldennisho/Flabio/Napolean debate in the 2000’s.

    RE: Drivers on qualifying.

    Lol, the drivers get it. If it ain’t broke… ya know? The change itself, the way it was announced and then subsequently pushed forward, is the definition of farcical, is it not?

    RE: Bling responding to Alfonzo

    Lol, burn on you, Alfonzo Samuronzo. Check and mate, it seems. Or is it? Plot thickens and I look forward to a politically charged 2016; a year that may rival to the 2007 shenanigans.

    RE: Ricciardo in NASCAR

    Lol, NASCAR.

    RE: Laureus Awards

    Lol, Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton are nominated for a Mercedes-sponsored award. Wow.

    Red Bull gives you wings and Mercedes gives you nominations, it seems. At least Laureus nominated Verstappen, son of Verstappen for some credibility. Well done Mercedes. Oh, Nico’s contract is up soon? Hint, hint.

    So many Lols. The farce is strong in F1 today.

    Peace and love,

    @WTF_F1

    • Skipped a story there, dude:

      McLaren’s “Used Fire Extinguishers” count is less than at the same time last year.

      “…clearly a gain..,” Boullier said. Nice story, bro, tell us another ☺

      • Yes, that was lol-worthy too.

        Oh, and as Dave said below, Halo hath manifested on the Ferrari. ‘Tis real! No turning back now.

        The Lols continue… when it rains, it pours.

      • They’ve not turned the power up yet by the looks of it, still time to beat the record (should get Guinness book of world records to give McLaren a certificate).

        Probably not true –
        Honda may have cut the deficit to Mercedes from 100bhp to 60bhp and they’ve got a qualifying mode. So expect to see the McLaren Honda to burst into flames when they turn the wick up. Those fire extinguishers may be needed yet.

  2. The commercial rights holder is once again treating to impose (this time) the old v8 + KERS onto the FIA and F1 teams halfway through the present PU agreed life span, he seems to have let go of his and rbr/illen alternative 2 litre cheap engine, but this (old v8 +plus KERS) push might be the reason why the sudden change of attitude/hart of the rbr doctor and his colgate kid towards renault.
    Someone was saying that Mercedes is not being fair with car 44 driver having send him out on a qualifying simulation lap on soft tyres but with much more fuel in the car than what they put in car 7 on its qualifying simulation lap.

  3. In other news: Ferrari have the new halo device on their car this morning. Looks like it would cause more damage than anything. Field of view must be impacted pretty badly and the struts along the side look like they could do some severe damage if broken and bent into towards the drivers head.

    • It seems meant to be easily fitted/removed, which begs the question how it would withstand in an impact à la Bianchi. Since it is unlikely to be built as a continuation of the safety cell, could it snap at 254G loads?

      Here’s some photos:

      I don’t like the looks of those sharp edges one bit:

      • Everything I have read previously about the “Halo has stated that it is NOT designed to withstand a “Bianchi type accident”, as pretty much nothing would… the only solutions to that is to eliminate the risk… ie, to redesign the recovery vehicles to prevent diving under their body, and properly slow the cars in such situations

        The halo is designed to deflect large debris only

        There are no sharp edges when attached to the car

        • The notion of closed cockpits (and the end result we have today, the halo) has been brought forth partly in response to the Bianchi accident:

          http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/williams-f1-official-says-series-should-consider-closed-cockpits

          Not the best source, but if the quotes are accurate, here’s what GPDA and apparently drivers think:

          http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/formula-one-drivers-call-for-halo-safety-device-introduced-from-2017

          ““The research the FIA experts have done is very thorough and the process has brought forward a clear solution,” said Wurz, who retired as a driver last year and now works on safety with the sport’s governing body. “Now the drivers feel it’s time to implement the extra protection at the latest in 2017”.

          Improving head protection became a priority after the deaths last year of Justin Wilson, a former F1 racer who suffered head injuries from debris in an IndyCar crash, and Jules Bianchi.”

          This may lead to the impression that the halo cockpit is a safety improvement by the FIA in response to the latest F1 driver fatality, which most likely it is not.

        • The only real way to reduce brain injuries from debris or going under recovery vehicles is likely to be enclosed cockpits, along with improving recovery vehicle design. I think the video of the FIA’s tests with enclosed cockpits is still floating about youtube.
          As I recall they used various materials, with fighter jet perspex doing the best job at deflecting a tyre fired out of a cannon. Though it would be interesting to find out if F1 drivers are susceptible to chronic traumatic encephalopathy from the various minor accidents they have to high G Force impacts they walk away from all be it with concussions.

    • Looks like just a working prototype, to enable a drivers viewpoint on the design concept surrounding potential blind spots and interferences…

  4. The Halo tried this morning on the SF16H has no sharp edges, sharp edges are on the temporary mountings, the mounting is temporary, the Halo is meant to be able to be tilted when fitted, Raikkonen said visibility was OK. I wonder why some are intent on following the commercial rights holder negativity of anything to do with F1.

  5. Three hours into the 7th day Raikkonen posts a lap of 1-23.009s on soft tyres, Fastest conclusion by some commenting from on track, FERRARI has put much less fuel in Raikkonen’s car than Mercedes had put in number 7 and 44 cars running on softs, others were suggesting FERRARI has managed to fix their engine reliability problems overnight.

  6. The laureus world sports awards were established by founding patrons Daimler and are supported by global partners Mercedes-benz this year the awards will be hosted in Berlin Germany.
    Today the spice man reminded the commercial rights holder that the FIA might have to reconsider the independent F1 engine.
    The spinners, about the team they support, “today (the first day of testing) team X offered offered a glimpse of its true potential at the first test day”.
    The spinners when its not the team they support, “it is notoriously difficult to accurate reading of performance in testing”.

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