#F1 Daily News and Comment: Wednesday 12th November 2014

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Previously on TheJudge13…

Hippo’s View From The Waterhole – Why #F1 missed the Boat on really cutting costs

#F1 Forensics : An eye on 2015


Quo vadis, Jenson?

Felipe Massa still sore over 2008 title loss

Vettel passes Italian language test for Sky Italia

Money the big topic before 2014 season finale

Briatore says Ecclestone’s double points ‘smart’

Grosjean premature

Caterham, Pegasus and impending redundancies


Quo vadis, Jenson?

If Jenson’s body language in recent races is anything to go by, his days at McLaren appear to be numbered. With teams dying and driving opportunities therefore reducing in numbers, this could well be the end of his F1 career. And not only in F1 are the chances getting fewer.

It has been rumoured several times this year that Jenson could be on his way to join Mark Webber as an F1 refugee in WEC. If he does so, it certainly won’t be as Mark’s team mate, as both Audi and Porsche, upon being asked by them, have told Motorsport Total that their driver line-ups are complete and that Jenson will not be part of it. The same applies to Toyota, who did not extend the contract of Nicola Lapierre and gave the seat to test driver Mike Conway.

The only realistic option would be newcomer Nissan, who have not yet announced any drivers. Following the likes of Frentzen, Alesi, Häkkinen, Ralf Schumacher and Coulthard in switching to DTM could be tricky as except for Paul Di Resta ex-F1 drivers have traditionally not done well in DTM – and Di Resta was in DTM before he came to F1.

Beside the obvious, which would be that McLaren and Honda see reason and keep him, then maybe ‘Murrica’ awaits and a trip out at the Indy 500.

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Felipe Massa still sore over 2008 title loss

Should Rosberg hope that Massa will provide any help in the season finale, for instance by finishing second between him and Lewis, he should look at which flag was hoisted over his head after the Brazilian GP. In an interview with TV channel Sportv he makes it clear that he’ll only look at his own result and launches a rather bizarre verbal attack on Timo Glock. “I won’t help anyone. I didn’t get any help when I was fighting for the title. On the contrary, a certain German actually harmed my chances.”

This kind of attitude puts into question Massa’s claim that he wants to remain neutral and does frame the Brazilian driver in a particularly favourable light. What is his anger all about? Let’s look back.

Going into the season-ending 2008 Brazilian GP, Massa needed to win with Lewis Hamilton not finishing better than sixth to clinch the title. He started on pole and led throughout the race. Rain in the closing laps wreaked havoc on the racing order, but Massa, despite leading would not be crowned champion as Lewis was running 5th – exactly the minimum he had to achieve.

This changed two or three laps from home, when Toro Rosso’s Sebastian Vettel (BTW he is German, Felipe) – overtook Lewis, relegating the Brit to sixth, which would have handed the title to Massa.

Vettel then overtook Glock, who had been told by his team to stay out on dry weather tyres and was helpless in the worsening conditions.

In the last corners of the last lap, Lewis too caught Timo Glock and swept by to reclaimed what for him was the vital fifth place.

Glock’s Toyota team had to leave the track under police escort.

So before Felipe becomes xenophobic about a particular nationality, he should remember that without another ‘certain German’, he would never have been in contention over those final few laps of the race.

A poignant observer may suggest that from a philosophical perspective Felipe should accept: “The German’s giveth and the German’s taketh away – blessed be the name of the German’s”.

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Vettel passes Italian language test for Sky Italia

Due to the undignified will-they-won’t-they soap opera between Fernando Alonso and McLaren, Sebastian Vettel was so far not able to officially announce that he’ll be wearing red next year and evaded all attempts from the media to wrangle a hint out of him. Sky Italia chose a different route, by putting him through an Italian language test.

Having raced for Toro Rosso in 2007 and 2008, the German has a passable grasp of the language, no doubt also in preparation for winding up at Ferrari one day, something which he hinted at for years.

He had to fill in gaps in sentences and describe fellow drivers. He called Hamilton the ‘most spiritual’ and Rosberg the ‘most blond’. Especially the latter is open to interpretation as, while expressed in Italian, in Vettel’s native German ‘being blond’ is slang for being stupid or gullible. It should be noted however that ‘the most blond’ was one of three items in a multiple choice test, not something the German came up with by himself.

When they presented him the generic snippet “Sebastian Vettel e…” a cheeky Seb continued with “sono un pilota di Scuderia Ferrari.”

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Money the big topic before 2014 season finale (GMM)

Even with F1 speeding towards its intriguing double-points title finale, money remains the big off-track topic of the moment. Although no longer trading and having laid off its workforce, Manor – formerly Marussia – is said to be in talks with investors about returning in Abu Dhabi.

It’s a similar story at Caterham, where administrators have already raised more than half of the $3.7 million they need to revive the green team for the season finale, thanks to the controversial crowdfunding scheme.

The team might also have another $55,000 in the kitty if it accepts an offer from the grandfather of British female driver Alice Powell, who wants to pay for a Friday practice drive in Abu Dhabi.

I am really hoping the administrators come back with a positive response,” Jim Fraser, Powell’s grandfather, told the Daily Mail newspaper.

But if Marussia and Caterham do ultimately fail, talks about boosting the depleted grid with three-car teams will become louder. Currently, the F1 teams are awaiting a response from Bernie Ecclestone and F1 owner CVC’s Donald Mackenzie.

It is believed they are considering releasing more funds, but who will actually receive the money is not clear. F1 supremo Ecclestone said in Brazil last weekend that the struggling small teams, including Lotus, Sauber and Force India, will not get the touted ‘fighting fund’.

We give these teams enough,” he said. “Not enough to survive in the way they are surviving, but enough to survive.

“The way forward is very easy — don’t spend as much,” said Ecclestone.

Another potential solution, although initially seemingly counterintuitive, is to give more money to the bigger and more stable teams. It is said Ferrari has already agreed to run a third car next year, but Red Bull is baulking at the apparent price-tag.

It’s between 35 and 40 million euros (to run a third car),” team boss Christian Horner is quoted by Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, claiming the Briton wants CVC to pick up the tab.

Horner is also quoted by Italy’s Tuttosport: “We could not deploy the third car within our current budget, so at the moment it’s not something we’re thinking about.

Mercedes, meanwhile, is not at all keen on the third car idea, but team chairman Niki Lauda is quoted as saying: “The distribution of money is first and foremost a matter for CVC.

We can do nothing but wait for suggestions. If CVC has a reasonable plan, we can talk about everything,” said the F1 legend. “Even free engines for the (customer) teams.

TJ13 comment: Free engines for the customer teams Niki? Such boundless generosity knows no limits.

What Lauda really is suggesting, is that FOM/CVC subsidise fully the engines for the customer teams – otherwise there would be much choking on the sauerkraut speciality being munched for lunch in Stuttgart.

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Briatore says Ecclestone’s double points ‘smart’ (GMM)

Flavio Briatore thinks his friend and regular business partner Bernie Ecclestone has pulled off a masterstroke with ‘double points’ in 2014. Actually, the innovation – where the title is kept artificially alive right until the dying moments by offering twice as many points in the season finale – is highly controversial and almost universally unpopular.

Even Nico Rosberg, who stands to gain the most from double points, is no fan.

I find it artificial and I don’t like it in general,” said the German after winning the Brazilian grand prix. “Of course, now, with the way it is, it’s great for me now but that’s just because of the situation.

Indeed, championship leader Lewis Hamilton says that – with his current 17-point advantage usually enough to nearly guarantee him the title over Rosberg – he thinks the new system ahead of the Abu Dhabi finale is not “fair“.

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff thinks Ecclestone has even changed his mind about double points now, having admitted in Brazil that he originally wanted the system to apply for the last three grands prix of the season.

That would have been better and fairer,” Hamilton told Ecclestone in a double interview posted at F1’s official website. Wolff told reporters: “I don’t think Bernie likes it, so it is probably something we should be getting rid of for next season.

But double points does have at least one fan — the outspoken and controversial former F1 team boss Flavio Briatore. The flamboyant Italian told Rai radio this week: “The double points is a smart tactic.

For the next two weeks it is all anybody will take about. Bravo, Bernie!” said Briatore. “Abu Dhabi is going to be talked about an awful lot.

TJ13 comment: As reported here on Monday, the probability that double points will play a part in the F1 drivers’ title decider is minimal.

Given firstly the lack of rain in the desert and secondly the 40 second gap from the Mercedes to the Williams in third place at the chequered flag in Brazil; the odds on favourite result for the Abu Dhabi finale is a Mercedes AMG 1-2 finish.

This gives Lewis the drivers’ title.

The other likely scenario is that one or other of the Mercedes drivers suffers a reliability issue and records a DNF.

Then the other Mercedes driver wins the race and also wins the drivers’ title.

It is difficult to conceive how one or other of the Mercedes could contrive to finish the race in third place or lower – which is where Lewis would need to be behind a winning Rosberg – for double points to hand the German the 2014 F1 drivers’ championship.

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Grosjean premature

Having been linked with a move to McLaren and even Ferrari in the past few weeks, it appears Romain Grosjean will be driving for his fourth season for the Enstone based team in 2015.

Some time ago, Lotus confirmed Pastor Maldonado and his Petro $ millions would be continuing his association with the F1 team, however, there has been a continued question hanging in the air as to whether Gerrard Lopez et al would be able to attract another big bucks pay driver thus seeing Romain out of a job.

Today, Grosjean clearly believing his deal with Lotus for next year was done, tweeted the following…

untitled

…then quickly removed the tweet.

Here are the drivers confirmed thus far for 2015.

RED BULL
Daniel Ricciardo and Daniil Kvyat

FERRARI

TBC

MERCEDES
Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg

McLAREN

TBC

WILLIAMS
Valtteri Bottas and Felipe Massa

FORCE INDIA
Nico Hulkenberg and TBC

TORO ROSSO
Max Verstappen and TBC

LOTUS
Pastor Maldonado and TBC

SAUBER
Marcus Ericsson and Felipe Nasr

MANOR F1 TEAM
TBC

CATERHAM
TBC

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Caterham, Pegasus and impending redundancies

Having never driven an F1 car and time limited for her to get an F1 super license, Alice Powell believes she could be the first woman to drive in a Formula One race in Abu Dhabi – the first woman since Lella Lombardi in 1976

Saddle up Pegasus – here we go.

Alice’s grandfather has written to the Caterham administrators offering £35,000 for the opportunity for his granddaughter to drive in FP1 at the Abu Dhabi GP.

It appears Alice was unaware of this development as she told SKY, “It is all news to me, I only found out this morning when I saw it in the Daily Mail”.

Yet Powell’s ambitions don’t stop merely at a practice session. “As long as I get to test in Practice One I have some other investors who are willing to invest in the team and it would be a fantastic opportunity. If the opportunity comes up to stay in the car and do qualifying and the race of course I’m not going to say no.”

Caterham’s previous years cars are either AWOL or in no fit state to be driven for a test day, so Alice opportunity to attain her F1 super license appears limited.

Yet none of this is preventing Alice preparation and planning. “I need to get on a simulator and learn Abu Dhabi. I’ve raced there in GP3 last year so I need to try and get back in. Last time I was out in a car was in Formula Renault Asia a few weeks ago which is about four divisions below F1 so the step will be massive.

I also need to prepare my body, get back into the gym and work as hard as I can if it does come off.”

This is all very well and a jolly distraction on a slow news Wednesday. However, as TJ13 reported yesterday, Caterham’s crowd funding project to raise £2.35m by Friday has stalled – with the team just over 50% of the way to its goal – and £35,000 is but a drop in the ocean.

TJ13 has learned from our Caterham sources that the crowd funding initiative isn’t some cynical ploy by the Administrator as reported by the mainstream media, but in fact was a project conceived by Caterham employees and the project team raising the funds is led by Graham Smith.

The team include marketing, sales and technical staff and should the team make it to Abu Dhabi and there be surplus funds, then the project team will be paid a consultancy fee.

However, the team running the crowd funding activities risk receiving nothing should the project fail – or there be insufficient funds after having funded the Abu Dhabi appearance of Caterham.

The Administrator has recognised that unless the team is sold by Friday 14th November, the chance of its survival beyond that point is almost nil. He has therefore advised that the staff of 1MRT are made redundant, so they can pursue their statutory claims for payment.

Whilst both Caterham and Marussia may yet rise like phoenix from the ashes… it is unlikely either team will appear in the F1 season’s race weekend finale…. Unless of course, a certain someone fancies putting his money where his mouth is and copping for a cool £1m to see a woman driver on the grid.

78 responses to “#F1 Daily News and Comment: Wednesday 12th November 2014

    • I’m reading too much briatore,

      Well, if you’d like to read the antidote to Briatore, check out what Dr. Gary Hartstein (safely “out” of F1 and so able to comment freely) says about this, that and the other (F1?)-thing in this Q&A that I invited the Judge and his court staff and all court attendees to participate in…with no obvious response. (maybe everyone picked new pseudonyms over there)

      Anyway, it was fascinating, rapid-fire and almost no trolling at all – just good questions and quick, quick witted responses.

      it was really well-received and Dr. Hartstein answered a huge number of questions from normal F1 fans:

      Hi! I’m Gary Hartstein (@former_f1doc), and I’m starting my AMA (ask me anything)

      “Ask me anything, and I’ll give pretty much anything reasonable a shot at an answer. Only for an hour, though, so c’mon in.”

      http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/2lz9wx/hi_im_gary_hartstein_former_f1doc_and_im_starting/

      Please check it out and read through the questions and answers at your leisure – i imagine some enterprising soul could write up a brief summary to use as content on their website(S) but for now, just this comment here crom me.

      Cheers.

  1. Shame about Massa. Often he comes across as very likeable guy and I have wanted to see him do well in his F1 career.

    But then he mugs himself off by dragging up the crap about Glock again.

    Move on…

    • he’s well within his reason to be sore, also, let’s not forget that Glock had his web site attacked by germans, and had some doubts cast about his “slow” lap even considering the weather

      • I’ve never heard that any Germans attacked Glock’s website. Where did you pick up that rubbish?
        Had Glock gone into the pits for wet tyres, Hamilton would have been past anyway and besides, without Vettel overtaking Lewis the question of Massa possibly winning the title would never have come up, because thos two or three laps where the only time Lewis was worse than sixth. Absolute rubbish. Massa has a bit of a bumhurt moment again, that’s all there is to it. He should be sore about Singapore, as he was cheated out of a possible win by the deliberately caused accident of Renault. At the time he was leading comfortably and only due to the rigged SC Ferrari fell apart.

      • The fans that were upset are sore because most likely they could not stomach seeing LH winning a WDC. The Glock thing gave them some very flakey ammunition to have a good old cry IMO

        • Massa is a big cry baby no doubt about that, but still you have to be a paranoid hamiltosi to think it was anti-Hamilton move to blame Glock. It was in Brazil for crying out loud. Their first chance after senna and probably last in decades to win WDC to Brazil. Of course the locals are going to be upset.

    • i think it’s understandable. massa showed grace at the time, but then again, he was in a position where it was likely he’d get another chance. after his accident the following season, everything changed. i’m not sure if it was the accident, the car, or if hockenheim 2010 just broke his spirit, but i can understand if he looks back and is bitter.

      • Being bitter about something is one thing, but going into baseless xenophobic rants is just showing a lack of class. He more or less sides with those hools, who back on that day were responsible that Toyota had to flee the circuit under protection of the police.

        • So would you agree that Nico’s xenophobic rant at Spa, showed a lack of class?… 😉 🙂

        • mind you, in 2009 they threw bananas at Lewis, totally absurd

          here in BR those who attend the GP, are from upper classes, the same right winged xenophobic people who are now fleeing to Miami after the leftist reelection

      • why the “awaiting moderation”
        I haven’t said nothing out of the rulebook

        is there an automatic filter for block ?

  2. “It’s between 35 and 40 million euros (to run a third car),” team boss Christian Horner is quoted

    If true, that equates to c.70m for a 2 car team – which is a great deal more than doled out to the backmarkers.

    • That is before you factor in design and development and various other costs. Running additional cars become relatively cheaper once you have done the base work, but still remain very expensive.

      • My point was that it would be more sensible to distribute some of that 35m per car to the lower teams & keep them in the game, rather than force (or subsidise) Ferrari/Red Bull/Merc etc to run third cars in their place.

        (As a thought experiment, which would Ferrari rather do, run a third car, or give Sauber free/much cheaper engines for a season ?)

        • I think they would have done the cheap engines for Sauber, as they did for Marussia. But that is dependent on running their young driver (Bianchi), so once he was sidelined, I get the feeling that Ferrari foreclosed on their Marussia debt pretty quickly.

          It’s odd how many drivers attached to Ferrari (Schumi, Massa, Kubica, Bianchi) have been hurt in recent years; arguably, they all should have driven instead of Massa or now Kimi.. perhaps if they didn’t play so safe, there could have been different outcomes.. not that anyone could have foreseen what eventually happened.

    • Dont forget that would be lower due to the saved r and d that is done for the first 2 anyway

    • Maybe I’m missing something re the three car team concept, if so please explain. The FIA Sporting regulations state:

      13.6 No more than 26 cars will be admitted to the Championship, two being entered by each competitor.

      So two cars are entered by each team, by regulation. My understanding is the regulations can be changed for the next year only by a unanimous vote of the teams. So wouldn’t a single ‘no’ vote prevent three car teams? Or does the change rule only apply to the technical regulations?

      It would seem Bernie can’t just say ‘three cars’, the FIA would have to change the rules. If the FIA didn’t change the two car rule, would Bernie possibly be in violation of his minimum grid agreements with the tracks? Would the FIA then be able to cancel their (stupid) 100 year contract with CVC?

      What am I missing here?

  3. Super GP2′ plan to boost F1 grid

    did anyone else see this (Autosport) ?

    During discussions between teams and Ecclestone at the Brazilian Grand Prix, one idea put forward was for a two-tier F1 to be created in the future.

    As well as the usual constructors, the grid could be filled with upgraded GP2-type single-make cars, which would be run by customer teams.

    Force India deputy team principal Bob Fernley said the idea had been laid out as a possibility, and that it had fuelled fears that Ecclestone wants the smaller teams out.

    “There is an alternative, which is ‘Super GP2’,” said Fernley. “It would be similar to a GP2 car with an upgraded engine.

    “The clear direction we are getting is that there is a desire to have five constructor teams and five customer teams, which will be the best way that they [the sport’s owners] feel to go.”

    Sauber team boss Monisha Kaltenborn thinks that the vision of a customer scenario like Super GP2 is worrying because it shows Ecclestone and CVC are looking at a future without smaller outfits.

    “Looking at the proposals which have been made, we have to believe that there is some agenda here,” she said.

    “The agenda seems to be that people are looking at four or five names to remain in here and, when ideas are offered to us of a year-old chassis or engines which maybe are a different spec or whatever, or even a different series, there must be an agenda.

    “And since nobody is reacting to it in front we don’t know whose agenda it is.”

    She added that the current atmosphere and the nature of solutions being suggested was making progress tough.

    “These things are changing every day. But the fact is it cannot go on like this, it’s no way we want to work and can work,” said Kaltenborn.

    “The more these ideas are coming up, the more we three get the feeling that maybe some people don’t want us to be around and maybe the sport is supposed to be changed in a very different way.”

  4. Re: Double points

    I feel it will have an impact. Just imagine a contact in the tight first corner and a damaged front wing. Spa was a high speed circuit whereas Abu Dhabi is not so. Redbull, Williams, Mclaren and to an extent Ferrari may be competitive. So Lewis is under tremendous pressure to deliver what was expected out of him since the start of this year.

    Further in 2010 Alonso threw away an 8 point lead to webber and a 15 point lead to vettel knowing what they had to do. Poor strategy from ferrari also cost them. In 2012, vettel almost threw away a 13 point lead. So being in the lead for the final race/title showdown means you are under more pressure than your opponent coz. your opponent has nothing to lose and u have everything to lose on the contrary.

    Its all to play for in the finale. And if there is any pressure to deliver it is more on Lewis than Nico. I disagree with DC and Fortis 96 in this regard.

    • So what about Nico? Are you saying that he’s got no pressure on him and he’s just going to turn up and deliver the goods just like that?

      What you also failed to acknowledge with regards to DC’s comments, was he also said, “when both cars are normal, they’re a lock to finish 1-2”, theyve already got 11.

      We’ve all heard it before, this or that team maybe competitive at this or that track and they may pose a problem for both Mercedes driver, but come the end of the race, they occupy the first two positions.

      I’m not sure you can even compare 2010 to this season. Back then, the cars were all closer in performance, not so this year, it has been a cake walk from the first test in Jerez. 3 times this season we’ve seen a Merc drive all the way from the back of the grid to be on the podium, so you tell me know, exactly which car on the grid can stop the Mercs? Did you miss the race in Bahrain? Did you miss Singapore? Their only concern for the race is mechanical failure or someone taking them out. So if they lock out the front row, which I think we all expect them to do, then the moment they can get around the first lap scratch free, then expect them to do what they’ve been doing all year, pull away from everyone at over a second a lap.

      • No. In terms of pressure, if there is something like that its more on Lewis than Nico as Lewis was expected to deliver this title once all understood that Mercedes was the class of the field.

        Further in 2010 for Abu Dhabi atleast the Redbulls and Mclarens were faster than ferrari. Also in Brazil 2012, Ferrari was slower than Mclarens, Redbulls and Hulkenberg’s Force India. Despite all this the conditions/circumstances played a part in the title decider.

        As i see it, Lewis is under more pressure to deliver.

        • Both drivers are under pressure to deliver. For Lewis he’s got the experience of being in this type of situation, Nico hasn’t and like I said in a comment yesterday, Nico has shown that he cracks when he’s under pressure to deliver a result.

          • @the judge…

            I guess you didn’t see where I said, “both drivers”….

            As for the 50 pence piece tyres in Austin, would those be the set from Q3?…

            Hmmm I thought the ones that matter, were the ones you set your fastest time on in Q2

          • That’s a mute point you’re trying to make judge. He won the race and the flat spot on the tyres didn’t affect him at all, something that both he and the team said weren’t going to be a problem in the race.

          • @ Fotris69

            ” That’s a mute point ….. ”

            I think you’ll find that a MOOT point ….

    • …Yes but this Mercedes car is so dominant – Vettel managed to drive through the field here with a Renault V8 which was less powerful than the Mercedes engine.

      There is another factor – Hamilton may pointlessly risk putting his car in the wall – as he risked in Brazil when 2nd was all he required… and ended up with –

      • One more point is Redbull decided to start vettel from pitlane in 2012 so that they could change the set up to aid overtaking. We saw in Hungary this year that Mercedes with a high downforce package could not overtake a Ferrari. Further as you pointed out, Hamilton may also put his car in the wall.

        I fee the compromise of Mercedes for Sector 2 Vs. other sectors here is the key if one of them fall behind due to some unavoidable circumstance.

        • PS: I failed to add to 2012 that Vettel’s drive through the field was helped by one or two Safety cars. If i remember correctly just after his second stop, we had a safety car.

        • “We saw in Hungary this year that Mercedes with a high downforce package could not overtake a Ferrari. Further as you pointed out, Hamilton may also put his car in the wall”

          Firstly, in Hungary, the team reported that after his 2nd stop, the car was losing power that cost him 1/2 second per lap, so let’s not talk about failing to get pass a prancing donkey.

          As him possibly putting his car in the wall…. Now what would make you think that? When was the last time you saw him do something like that? What makes you think that it won’t be Nico who puts his car in the wall?

          • Fortis96, where did you hear this about the power loss in Hungary? And you said they only knew about it AFTER the 2nd stop? Mercedes not putting Lewis onto the faster strategy, when he had effectively cleared Nico on track, was always suspicious to me (seeing as he had all brand new options). If they only knew after, then I’d still question the strategy; if before, then it would be an explanation. There was nothing in the pit radio about it (at least the stuff we get to hear/read), that’s for sure.

          • @KRB

            It was reported after the race by both Paddy and Lewis, I also think Peter Windsor covered the story as well in his race debrief. It wasn’t broadcast over the radio

      • He didn’t spin because he was risking anything and had the team brought him in the lap before, then I doubt that spin would’ve occured. And like he said, the protocol for ‘hammertim’, is one hot in lap before he boxed, the team strategist wanted 2, hence the radio message.

        Here’s what really caused the spin….

        “Out through the kink of three and onto the short straight he was asked to make an energy recovery switch change to increase the harvesting rate. He did so, but in the busy intensity of the moment didn’t make a compensating forwards brake bias change. As he stood on the brakes for turn four, still pushing like crazy, he’d just entered ‘negative’ – i.e. he was on schedule for the first time to come out ahead of Rosberg. But those worn tyres, with the inappropriate braking bias working upon them, could take no more of it. The outer rear locked and in a thrice Hamilton was trying to rescue a major oversteer moment, one that only gathered momentum as the track headed downhill.”

        Judge what you failed to forget about Seb’s drive through the field was, Seb was suppose to have started from the back of the grid, but the team took the car out of parc ferme and as such, changed his car to a Spa low downforce setting, thus increasing his top speed. Also he was aided by 2 safety cars, so I’m not so sure he would’ve achieved such a feet had it not been for that.

        Also judge, these aren’t V8s. Like I said, if both cars get round the first lap safely, then they’ll drive away from the field.

          • Yes he did judge, we all know that…

            But like I mentioned, the team wanted him to squeeze out a 2nd lap at the same pace as the first on tyres that had no more life left in them. So to say ‘he’ took the risk, fails to include what the team asked of him.

          • …which is better to do in the penultimate race rather than the last race. Best to risk all in Brazil and at worst be 1 point down for the last race with all to play for, rather than risk all in the last race and lose out on the title.
            Then again, it’s Lewis, the boy just wants to win! He’s not a calculating Alonso/Button/Rosberg type of driver.

          • Maybe you’d expect that from the Lewis of 2011, but the Lewis since, has driven better than any other time since he’s been in the sport.

          • That mentality is not the stuff of champions – He goes out to win everytime. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn’t, but that’s what the guy’s all about and that is why he can get results in certain situations when others can’t.

          • …Ra ra ra….

            For those of us who know him – which also includes a significant number of race team individuals who have worked closely – day in day out – with Lewis during his time in Formula One – we know he is prone to huge swings in mood – and has yet to prove he can be a stable individual for an extended period of time…

            Nicole’s recent announcement that she is relocating from LA may be great for Lewis – though as TJ13 exclusively reported previously – arguments between the two over babies and ‘security’ have in the past coincided with Lewis dramatically ‘losing focus’.

            Lewis should nail the F1 WDC this year…

            However, questions will remain for some time to come regarding his mental fragility – and until there has been an extended period of time where he desists from…. eg calling senior team personnel liars…. amongst other emotional outbursts….. nothing is certain about how Lewis may or may not behave in future.

            So claiming Lewis has ‘proven’ anything regarding susceptibility to pressure/mental fragility etc etc is a nonsense…

            But he has demonstrated at times a far greater level of fragility than most other drivers in Formula One at present… and only time will tell whether he is now beyond those feelings and expressions.

            You are correct though in observing that at present – Lewis is maintaining a calm and collected approach to his world and the task in hand.

          • And those of us who knows him….would that include you?

            Just like how you’ll find engineers who see him as how you described him, you’ll also find those who share a different opinion.

            As for the rest of your rant, maybe someone should reprogram him and insert a Lt Data type chip in him, maybe that will remove all forms of emotion that we human beings are prone to show on a day to day basis. Because his behaviour is no different to that off drivers in the pass and those we see now.

            For some reason I think your still p!ssed off because he didn’t pull over and let Nico get by. But if you feel the need to continually flog someone because of their past indiscretions, then I doubt there’ll ever be any hope for him, because you’ll just be sitting waiting for the first slip up to go…. “See I knew it, I knew he’s still the same person”

            Maybe you should invite him up to your country house and you educate him in the ways of how to operate as an upstanding individual.

            So Ra ra ra judge….

          • You should keep in mind that the latest instances of “See I knew it, I knew he’s still the same person” are not that far in the past, namely Hungary and Spa, with showing the team up publicly, breaking agreements and discussing team internals with the press. That is way more current then – let’s say – Monaco. So it’s not that the old geezer with the gavel is digging up corpses from the last century.

          • ….exactly the point….. time will tell… and he are in what may be a permanent ‘new state’ but possibly just yet another hiatus….

          • @hippo…

            So again I’ll ask the question…

            How is that different to what we see from all the drivers on the grid each race weekend?

            Fred has been calling and throwing Ferrari under the bus for years and no one calls him out on it. That might happen on this blog, but when you look at mainstream media, he’s got them eating out of the Palm of his hands. I don’t see the likes of Stewart, Watson or Murray blasting him for comments he makes or say that he should just shut up and drive his car. But rather what we get his how badly he has been treated by Ferrari and he deserves a championship winning car.

            So is Lewis being held to a different standard than his fellow drivers?

          • ….remind me which other driver called his ‘team’ liars…. and which other driver came running out of a private team debrief and declared tot he world his team mate had deliberately taken him out of a race….. “he did it.. he did it….. ask Paddy… ask Toto”..

            …and that’s just this years highlights…..

          • Let’s see, what was it that Martin Brundle said about Lewis’ Spa comments…

            “That was a good move by Lewis, he wanted to get the team back on his side, it’s all part of the chess pieces within such an intense rivalry for the championship”….. Something along those lines.

            F1 is not just about driving fast, you’ve also got to play the political games as well, Alonso, Jenson, Seb etc, they all do. So touché to him, I guess the ‘mentally weak boy’ is becoming a man.

            There may not be any current drivers who has done so, but I’m sure that he’s not the first to do so.

            But just for my clarification, at what point did he come out and basically call his team ‘liars’?

          • “remind me which other driver called his ‘team’ liars…. and which other driver came running out of a private team debrief and declared tot he world his team mate had deliberately taken him out of a race….. “he did it.. he did it….. ask Paddy… ask Toto”..

            …and that’s just this years highlights…..”

            Well im sorry but if your team mate says that he took you out to prove a point, cheating you out of a posible win, then you have every right to be miffed. Stop with this “oh its not professional” rubbish – f*ck professional, all rules go out the window due to that admission. What would have proved a bigger point was if he had overtaken him on track to win the race seeing as he was bleating on about how he was quicker than him.

            It was a media masterstroke by Lewis, which got Rosberg into sh!t with the fans and unsettled him – much like rosberg did to Lewis in Monaco right judge? A driver using everything in his armoury springs to mind…..

          • Bah. It doesn’t matter which button or lever Lewis failed to pull at what moment, and it also doesn’t matter what his team asked him to do over the radio. The fact is he made the mistake(s) and spun off trying to take the lead from Nico. Nico gets blamed (rightly) for his mistakes, no reason why Lewis shouldn’t get blamed for his.

          • @judge13, what’s the quote that you’re referencing to say that Lewis called Mercedes liars at Monaco?

            As for saying his racer’s mentality is why he’s not a double world champion already, what other years do you think he should’ve been champion? In 2007 China, he was doing like you always say for him to do, he was doing what the team asked of him, even though it turned out to be a disastrous and unnecessary gamble. In Brazil, with the gearbox gremlins … was that not mighty suspicious? Have we seen something like that happen to anyone since?

            2012 was a write off … quick car, but not reliable. Much like the 1984 Brabham-BMW. 2010 was a possibility, but again like 2008 would’ve been b/c the team with the best car flubbed it. No chance in the rest of his seasons.

            As for this year’s DWC, if Hamilton DNF’s through unreliability, will it be cruel luck, or will the stance change to he has “failed to close”? If both cars finish, I’m confident of a Hamilton DWC, but on the whole, I’m not at all confident of it.

    • Hamilton can easily let Rosberg take pole and then just let him take the first corner and let him sail off in the distance while he secures 2nd place, nursing the car and everything.

      You conveniently forget that Rosberg being WDC or not is in Hamilton’s hands. And Hamilton, while a very slow learner, can eventually learn over time.

    • What about the women who had his baby last season, she must be well happy……..Am I expecting too much from Horner given his lack of moral fibre in other situations. I can see the Jeremy Kyle show tag line now, “Dumped for a spice girl, but I’m still holding your baby”
      LoL

    • But he has demonstrated at times a far greater level of fragility than most other drivers in Formula One at present… and only time will tell whether he is now beyond those feelings and expressions.

      [modded] Its base on the fact that Lewis didnt take the championship in his rooki year against an experience double world champion in Alonso and a Mclaren team mired in scandal…we know that you lot the Sir Jacky stewart,John watson and Prost of the world ,have been waiting all year for some unicron mystical hamilton melt down.but it aint gonna happen….Dudai will be a clinical ,simple almost anticlimactic for those of you wish a Lewis stumble…..and Lewis will be champ again…punto basta.

      [mod] Last warning. Another instance of underlying racist allegations/insinuations and you’ll be on permanent moderated posting.

      • I find it quite puzzling that when it comes to Lewis Hamilton, everything form of criticism is accepted, from how he dresses, people he associates with, religion, music interest, partner down to his dogs, but the moment race is mentioned and the fact there it becomes a taboo subject?

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