#F1 Daily News and Comment: Tuesday 10th February 2015


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OTD Lite – 2000: When will teams realise nobody gives a hoot

Alonso and Ron Dennis far mellower these days

Minardi disappointed by F1 teams short-sightedness

Williams far more likely to be challenging for victory

Briatore – Alonso not concerned by so little running

F1 division 2

OTD Lite – 2000: When will teams realise nobody gives a hoot

On this day Ferrari launched what would prove to be an historic car. By the end of the year Ferrari had ended their 21 year drought without a champion driver – when Michael Schumacher took the title in Japan.


Ferrari also took their second consecutive Constructors crown but as has been proven time and time again – and still the bean counters don’t ‘get it’ – is that the fans watch for the personalities not the engineering skills.

Between Jody Scheckter and Schumacher there was indeed 21 years, but often forgotten is that Ferrari were constructor champions in 1982 and 1983. So the actual gap between titles is 16 years. Who remembers that Ferrari won the constructors in 2008? Yet most fans would know that’s when Hamilton won his first title.

So yes from a team entrants perspective, the money is paid for their team’s finish but for the average joe the question is which driver is best. In an age when TV audiences are falling, race attendances are struggling and the only man in the circus who’s happy is an octogenarian billionaire – its time for a massive shakeup.

Pah…. in my day….

The Grumpy Jackal


Alonso and Ron Dennis far mellower these days

The conclusion of the 1969 cult movie – ‘The Italian Job’ – is played out over a little number called, ‘The Self-Preservation Society’. This tune is heartily belted out to the point where the coach carrying the stolen bullion is finely balanced over a precipice.

In the sterile world that Is Mclaren, the notion of music being played in the Technology Centre appears absurd. Yet if we lend our ears to Ron Dennis’ recent liturgy, we could be forgiven in believing Big Ron has taken to playing whale mating tracks prior to sleeping; there has definitely been a warming in the manner he describes his relationship with Fernando Alonso.

Alonso left McLaren in acrimonious circumstances in 2007 following a falling out with Dennis and his rookie team-mate Lewis Hamilton. The Spaniard had allegedly issued black-mail threats to Dennis and furnished the FIA with private emails between a Ferrari employee and McLaren which resulted in a record 100 million dollar fine and exclusion from the 2007 F1 constructors championship.

The intervening eight years have clearly allowed these turgid currents to flow under the bridge and far downstream. “Everyone has moved on and certainly I am mellower,” Dennis told Autosport. “I think Fernando is more mature.”

David Coulthard once wrote in his column that Ron Dennis sells a great dream to incoming drivers and then ‘forgets’ what had been actually agreed. The Scot had no doubt that Alonso was signed at the end of 2005 as a reigning World Champion to join for 2007 with the offer of number one to lead the team. The problem that destroyed the Woking team’s season was that Ron put his young protege in alongside – by then – a double World Champion and allowed them to fight.

Dennis recalls: “The whole thing took on a momentum, and whatever was happening within the team, it was at a time when the environment was a very controversial environment for the sport as a whole and great emphasis was placed on many things that happened. We were perhaps the reciprocant of a climate that F1 had at the time; actually what took place was relatively trivial in reality, but heavily amplified, and everyone got pretty bruised by it.”

Whilst team status disputes had been part of the problems in 2007, Dennis states this was not an issue the second time around.

“I can promise you one thing with Fernando – he never even asked for priority treatment. In fact the opposite, total opposite. He said ‘equality, I accept equality’. He has never asked for a single thing to be inserted in the contract.”

There was of course the amusing interplay between Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso at the FIA drivers’ press conference in Abu Dhabi, when Jenson’s future in Woking was undecided. Alonso was questioned as to whether he would be happy with Jenson as a team mate in 2015. Fernando for once was speechless.

This gave rise to speculation that Alonso’s contract negotiations with Ron Dennis included a stipulation as to who would be his team mate this year.

Yet Alonso himself recently claimed he did not ask for preferential treatment from McLaren – only never to be treated as a number two.

Of course, in recent times we have seen in certain quarters of the media an almost pantomime portrayal of Fernando – as the most dastardly of men – yet the facts demonstrate that other than in 2007 when he was matched by Lewis Hamilton – Fred has throughout his career allowed his driving to do the talking.


Minardi disappointed by F1 teams short-sightedness

Following TJ13’s coverage of the refusal to allow Marussia back into the F1 championship this year by allowing them concessions till their 2015 challenger is ready GianCarlo Minardi has voiced his opinion about the true state of F1’s brutal reasoning.

untitled“This is absurd behavior and very unsportsmanlike. The opposition comes from the smaller teams who are hoping to carve up the share that is due to Marussia but these teams have failed to count to ten before making a decision first.”

“The two ‘Cinderella teams, Caterham and Marussia, have fallen by the wayside and the grid has become smaller. As a result of this the last row on the grid is being fought over by teams with a sizable budget and with far more ambition than the previous occupants and by this I mean Suaber, Lotus and Force India. Being last on the grid will have repercussions in terms of image and there will be commercial consequences which will only come to light afterwards.”

untitledMinardi continued: “This reminds me of what happened in the 1996-97 seasons when I defended the rights of the very small teams. I argued that without these teams participating with their great passion but with limited means – hoping to somehow find the financing for the future – the last row of the grid would therefore become inevitably the large manufacturers.”

“This situation happened again in the 2000’s and you found that manufacturers could not take years to expand and achieve positive results. They have commercial objectives and their short-term image is very important  and what happened? Well year on year we lost almost all the manufacturers that had once been involved.”

untitled“I hope that is not the final decision and that there is room for reasoning, now as then, the sport also needs those who compete just for the pleasure and hope that one day it will come good.”

Marussia have hit back at Force India’s criticism of their communication with the strategy group being ‘not compliant’ and ‘lacking substance’. It appears Force India were unaware that prior to them succeeding Lotus (1/1/15) onto the revolving seat at the strategy group, this body had given its approval for Marussia to run a 2014 car in 2015 – with specific stipulations.

“I was surprised to hear some of the comments made…”, commented Graham Lowden. “Particularly regarding an application we were said to have made to yesterday’s meeting, which I can confirm was not the case.

“We did make a request on 17 December last year and we have been working since to satisfy the requirements subsequently communicated to us, specifically complying with all the Regulations, aside from the exempted articles.”

untitled“The comments also mentioned that issues of compliance were raised, that it was felt that our application lacked substance and contained no supporting documentation to reinforce the case for offering special dispensation. Again, we did not make any application to yesterday’s Strategy Group meeting and nor were we asked to.

“Instead, we are proceeding with our clear process regarding compliance and building our operation. We are doing everything possible to adhere to the process set out for us to return to the 2015 grid. This is a fantastic good news story for the whole sport and we just want to go racing.”

“Subsequent to this application, the team was informed on 5 January 2015, that the Strategy Group felt that two teams – Marussia and Caterham – should be permitted to race a 2014 car in the 2015 championship. The letter stated that the Strategy Group agreed that the car should comply with all of the 2015 technical regulations, with the exception of four articles, those articles being Articles 3.7.9, 15.4.3, 15.4.4 and 16.2. The team can confirm that the modifications to its 2014 car would meet this stipulation”.

untitled“The team has been busy preparing its 2014 cars such that they comply with the stipulations of the Strategy Group and at the same time it is pressing on with the development of its 2015 car to ensure it can supersede the 2014 car as soon as possible.

“The team has a significant number of staff already working on both its 2014 and 2015 cars. It also has the benefit of being able to recruit further staff very quickly from the rich pool of experienced and talented F1 personnel who were left unemployed following the closure of Marussia and Caterham and due to job cuts made by other teams in the sport.

Force India will have earned no friends through this process. Even were it the case that they were ‘the first to vote’ and because unanimous agreement was required, their ‘no vote’ was enough to temporarily scupper the return of Manor Racing. It was politically naive of Fernly to vote against the ‘Marussia’ return and would have been easy for him and the Silverstone team to pass the buck further down the line.

These are the actions appear to be those of a desperate team, whose chassis two days ago was in a warehouse on the south coast gathering dust – awaiting payment from their millionaire owner for it to be released to go testing.



Williams far more likely to be challenging for victory

Williams surged from 9th in 2013 to third overall in the WCC with arguably the second fastest package to the winners Mercedes AMG F1,

Felipe Massa now believes Williams is ready to win races this year. The team’s resurgence is not by way of co-incidence and in part due to the severing of their ties with Renault to take on-board the new Mercedes power power unit. But as the saying goes ‘Lucky? Yes, and I find that the harder I work, the luckier i get’

With a pole position and the pace to challenge Mercedes at various circuits in 2014, many F1 observers felt that the team failed to capitalise on the possibilities of a race win.

Felipe gives his thoughts on the matter. “Yes, I think so, not many races, but I think at least one. It’s a different team, a much better team, much more prepared, more experienced – everything is different. The team is a lot more prepared and in much better shape compared to how we started last year. I mean we had a good car, we had a fantastic season, the development was great but I think the team is a lot more prepared which is good.”

Pat Symonds paid tribute to Massa’s return to form in the second half of the 2014 during the Jerez test and Felipe explains why this was the case. “I’m just more comfortable inside the team. I saw so many things last year here that we needed to change, it was not so easy just to sit and say a lot of negative things we need to change – it takes time. A team doesn’t change from one day to the other. But I think the team has changed a lot and it has been because of really good growth in so many different areas.

“You don’t win the championship if you are good in just one area; you need to win the championship by being good in most areas. Everything is more complete and we can fight in much better condition than we were last year.”

The TJ13 crew in Jerez, were very impressed with the Williams package and though they were miles down the pit lane away from the mainstream media scrum, their was a consistent air of busy efficiency and confidence about the way everything was done.

Having spoken with key pit crew members, they appear to have been marched up the hill to believe big opportunities await in 2015.

AHJ predicts Red Bull will have a tough time this year.


Briatore – Alonso not concerned by so little running

It goes without saying that Flavio Briatore is not much in the paddock. His punishment for instigating a crash to benefit one of his drivers has forever tainted his reputation and perhaps also that of Alonso by association.

Add to this his close association with Bernie Ecclestone and all this counts against him with the British media saving little time to put Briatore in his place.

Yet when Flavio joined the F1 circus in the late 1980’s, he regularly propounded the view that the sport should also be entertainment for the viewer and not just a problem solving exercise for the engineers.

The Italian media regularly quote Briatore’s current views and of course his current connection with the sport is via his managerial duties for Fernando Alonso.

Briatore reveals Alonso’s state of mind having just run a mere 38 laps for his new team in Jerez.

“I spoke with him and does not seem to be overly concerned. Having problems at the start of winter testing is normal. It ‘s more important to be able to talk about a good result after the GP of Melbourne then after the Jerez test. The tests are used just to see if there may be problems.”

Of course as an Italian, Flavio will always have a place for Ferrari in his heart and he offers the tifosi a few words of caution following the red team’s headline grabbing lap times in the recent Andalucian test.

“Of course, everyone wants to see a winning Ferrari and, after the difficulties of last season, would be fabulous. But we must remain cautious, the true values ​​do not know up to Melbourne. However, it is positive that Ferrari has already been able to do more than they achieved in this test a year ago and hopefully will understand more in the next test.  But one thing is certain: the Mercedes is ahead of all the competition.”

TJ13’s Andrew Huntley-Jacobs spoke on the eve of the final day in Jerez with engineers from Brixworth, who were amused at the hype over the Ferrari lap times – suggesting the silver arrow has a lot ore in hand for Barcelona.


F1 division 2

If nothing else, Bernie Ecclestone is a survivor; and to survive the most tumultuous of external environments, adaptability is a key requirement.

Ecclestone does a finance ‘health check’ of the Formula One teams in the autumn of each year, and in 2014 he discovered what many had been predicting for months and years. Two F1 teams were on the brink of collapse and others were steps not miles behind them.

There was talk of 3 car teams from around Monza, and the willing and helpful Christian Horner joined the chorus stating as late as November: “I hope that Marussia and Caterham get their act together. If not, and we had to run a third car, we would be in a position to. But we will need to know pretty quickly – it’s already November”.

However, almost 2 months earlier, Eric Boullier of McLaren had revealed to build “the chassis and the logistics of the third car… the people around it…. we would need about six months’ notice.”

Someone wasn’t telling the truth.

Well three car teams fell by the wayside as did Caterham and Marussia, leaving just 18 cars at present to take the grid in Australia two months from now.

Yet there are commercial agreements in pace with race promoters and TV companies where should the number of cars attending a Formula One weekend fall below a certain number – the contracts with FOM become void.

Speaking to SKY F1 in Austin, Ecclestone appeared nonchalant about the number of cars on the grid. “It could go down to 14. If we lose another two teams that is what will happen. I can’t predict if it won’t or it will. But if it is 18 no drama at all.”

However, with Force India’s rejection of a plan which would allow Marussia to return to the grid in 2015 and the Silverstone outfit themselves apparently strapped for cash and unable to release their 2015 chassis from a warehouse in a southern British port – the number of teams in Melbourne cold in fact be 16.

Ina desperate bid to ensure this doesn’t happen, Bernie Ecclestone presented a plan to the F1 strategy group last week which would see him provided a start-up fund of 15m euro’s for anyone wishing to enter the 2015 in a ‘B’ division competition.

This plan would see the Caterham fans favourite F1 consultant, Colin Kolles, prepare a chassis based upon the 2013 Red Bull car and Flavio Briatore would offer a V8 engine produced at Mecachrome.

The strategy group rejected this proposal, leaving Ecclestone with little choice but to ensure Force India make it to Melbourne – and as insurance probably the re-birthed Marussia too.

F1 division 2 at present seems dead in the water, though with the aptitude abilities of Bernie Ecclestone in play – who knows what the next plan could be.

45 responses to “#F1 Daily News and Comment: Tuesday 10th February 2015

  1. “The whole thing took on a momentum, and whatever was happening within the team, it was at a time when the environment was a very controversial environment for the sport as a whole and great emphasis was placed on many things that happened. We were perhaps the reciprocant of a climate that F1 had at the time; actually what took place was relatively trivial in reality, but heavily amplified, and everyone got pretty bruised by it.”

    Really Ron? Triviality cost you and your fellow investors $100m in penalties and if we were to add in the amount lost from being kicked out the Constructors Championship, then that figure gets even bigger.

    I’m no history buff, but what was the ‘controversy’ that was surrounding the sport at that time? Because from my memory (poor as it is at times) that’s the main talking point throughout that year.

    “I can promise you one thing with Fernando – he never even asked for priority treatment. In fact the opposite, total opposite. He said ‘equality, I accept equality’. He has never asked for a single thing to be inserted in the contract.”

    Is Ron effectively saying that he gave priority treatment to his protege over a 2 time WDC?….. He asked for equality, then that would mean he wasn’t being given that, hence the ‘trivial’ little incident that cost you a $100m+

    I’m sorry this sounds like another one of ‘Ron’s speech’ and him trying not to ruffle Alonso’s feathers before the season gets underway.

  2. “In the eight years that have followed it seems that both men have mellowed somewhat”

    I suspect this is the “humble pie” both are forced to eat by the mere fact of being in the same team again. As TJ13 suggested in earlier pieces.

    “For anyone that has followed the Spaniard’s career so far, he has always stipulated that he never asked for preferential treatment in any team – he only ever asked that he was never treated as a number two.”

    Not true. Upon the McLaren debacle, and ostensibly to make a point, at Renault he had it enshrined in contract to get priority access to new pieces, etc., i.e. being treated as #1 with Nelsinho Piquet being as effective #2. While during the McLaren debacle (or perhaps after, but timing is of no issue here), the Asturian Sheikh was uttering public utterances to the effect of “I was treated in McLaren just like any other driver”; this, to me at least, indicates that he was complaining of equality, and craving for priority treatment. Forget not that Alonso did blackmail Dennis to get #1 priority treatment within the team…

    So please hold your horses before putting a Saint’s cap on Fred’s head….

    • Not to forget that in Singapore 2008 it was Nelsinho who got forced into fabricating a crash, while Fred got the honors on the podium. Why wasn’t it the other way around, you ask, Fred crashing on purpose and Nelsinho purposely pitting early and getting the winning crown? Simply because Alonso was indeed enjoying priority #1 status within the team, and there can be little doubt about that…

  3. Hey Grumps

    I don’t really care about the drivers – What is fascinating is the engineering – the quality of the racing – mind games between team principals – the politics – the hypocrisy (Force India latest bad boys on this) – the coded (but obvious really) self interest – the alliances of convenience (my enemies enemy and all that) – the farce…

    F1 is the finest melodrama ever in the annuls of human history 😉

    • Not to mention that the WCC is mostly a feel-good factor for teams and their personnel. If their driver wins the WDC, it’s great, but ya know… If they win the WCC, they were the bestest package out there… Now that is a morale-boosting factor.

      The WCC has more value within the team…

    • Yup I couldn’t agree more. When I started watching F1 I was lured in by the promise of a talented young Dutchman called Jos Verstappen. Quite soon I had enough of his love affair with gravel traps over the world and for a short while I chose Damon Hill as my next hero. After Damon’s retirement I never had a driver or team that I was a fan off. There are teams I like to do better than other teams but that list changes almost every season and sometimes even during the season. The thing that kept me following F1 after Damon’s retirement is the technology first and the racing second, the politics, the drama off track, for a short time even the antics of the ringleader were interesting enough to follow. Over the years the attraction of some of my original reasons to keep following F1 has faded a bit but there are always new things that are interesting to follow.

  4. For a lack of a better way to inform mattpt55 that there is treasure chest of information on the finances of the Marusia team (and an insight into the Concorde agreements/bilateral agreements that Marusia made with FOM) can be found here http://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2015/02/08/marussia-formula-one-team-made-duress-payments-to-recover-seized-assets/

    Have fun going through the info and I’m sure it will result in some nice discussions on the site and in the podcast 😉

    • I saw that too, but they stop you reading the bits you really want to see by blurring it out. I have spent an absolute age doing internet searches trying to find the IPO prospectus for Formula 1 group as people seem to just publish the bits that support what ever article they are attached to. Somebody somewhere has a full copy on their desk or in their files and one day Bernie will upset them enough that they will publish the entire thing on the web, I just have to wait I suppose…….Bernie is always making enemies, so I may be sooner than later!

      • And it is isn’t unreasonable to think that after the death of lil old Bernie someone will publish the agreements anyway because who’s going to go after him? A ghost? (then again I wouldn’t be surprised if the poisonous dwarf has found a way to haunt people even after his death ;-P)

      • Yes CV and isn’t it interesting that TJ13 reports above about Bernie’s carrot to the strategy group, whilst drip feeding his odious cohort something to muddy the water?

  5. You cannot seriously believe Alonso never asked for preferential treatment…. The guy would not go up against any driver in the same machinery who has a serious chance of beating him on a level playing field. Still to this day he would not go up against Hamilton given the chance in the same car – Vetoed him as a potential team mate at Ferrari.

    • Totally agree with you. Ron probably told him, look you’ll be #1, because in the other car they’ll be a rookie. No need to put that in a contract or have Alonso demand it. But when that rookie started challenging…

      • The amount of Alonso hate on here is crazy, yes he’s not the most likeable guy on the planet but to argue against his talent is just daft. For the last ten years, team principles have listed him either at the best driver or at worst in the top 3, they have a reasonable idea of driver ability. Alonso destroyed Massa, if you watch the early races when they were team mates, there were no team orders, with Massa holding Alonso up on several occasions, by making better starts and getting in front. Though Alonso seems to of learnt from this and his starts in general are awesome. And Kimi i think was bought in to keep Alonso on his toes, not be his number 2, and that was just a humiliation of Kimi, and Kimi would of been the favoured the driver certainly, towards the latter half of the season.

        I’m a massive Button fan, i wasn’t to worried about him going up against Hamilton and he did himself no harm at all. But against Alonso, i fear he may end up looking like Kimi.

        • You have misunderstood my comment. Never it was intended to mean that Alonso is a crap driver. I agree with you he’s the best and at worst the best along with lewis.

        • Don’t you worry Jamie – Jense will be just fine 😉

          Fernando is the one under pressure,

          McLaren presented as though they thought very little of their former number one driver in the constant contract delays pre-Christmas – so Jenson will feel as though he has a year he was never going to get.

          • I hope you’re right, I think Jense is underated, and if the car has a good balance, Alonso will have his hands full, but if it handles like a bus, it doesn’t bare thinking about.

          • My guess is that with Prodromou on board the car will have a good balance and will most probably contest Merc and RBR on the aero front by the end of the year. Big question mark is the Honda engine.

            And let’s not forget something. Everyone thought Lewis would destroy Jense, didn’t happen! Everyone thought Lewis would destroy Rosberg, didn’t happen! Everyone thought Kimi would give Alonso a hard time, didn’t happen! Everyone assumed Seb would destroy Ric, didn’t happen! Everyone thinks Alonso will destroy Jense…you see where I’m going with this?

          • Alonso is under a lot of self inflicted pressure “Oh damn I’m getting old, not much time left to win that 3rd title”. Jenson on the other hand seems at peace with his career in F1 almost being at an end and still loving the fact he won the title when many did not expect him to, he got his chance and grabbed it. Depending on how things go at McLaren, I’d not be surprised if Jenson gives Alonso a run for his money.

            As for 3 cars per team ? KMag can slot in easily (I can see teams saying they’d need experienced drivers to make the 3rd car work, especially if it happens in the middle of the season). Seems the big teams are all ideally placed in terms of drivers to run a 3rd car should Bernie need to save his contracts.

          • That would be an ideal scenario having KMag back on the grid. Whilst I agree Jenson deserved the drive because of his late season form, Kevin could still feel hard done missing out, as I think he showed enough promise to prove he didn’t deserve to left out in the cold. He would scored more points had the stewards not decided to punish him for being a rookie, see Monza and Spa.

        • I’m in the same boat Jamie – Button’s my favourite driver, but I think Alonso is the best, and deserves a 3rd world title. I will be watching with keen interest how this pairing goes.

    • I think thejudge13 comment/quote is misleading.

      As I said in a reply further up, Ron was referring to the current contract.

      Here is the quote from
      ” … ….. “Everyone has moved on and certainly I am mellower. I think Fernando is more mature.”
      Team status disputes between Alonso and Hamilton had been part of the 2007 discord, but Dennis said Alonso had made no stipulations regarding his 2015 McLaren team-mate Jenson Button.
      “I can promise you one thing with Fernando – he never even asked [for number one status]. In fact the opposite. Total opposite,” he said.
      “He said ‘equality, I accept equality’. He has never asked for a single thing to be inserted in the contract.” …. ….. “

        • Well he had to, it was either McLaren or take a sabbatical and hope that Lewis doesn’t re-sign with Mercedes.

        • Just be careful when reading quotes, i’ve watched a few of the drivers press conferences, and i’ve seen the drivers have a laugh and joke, or something said with a wry smile, and then read the quote on another web site, taken very much out of context. Without seeing somones facial expressions, we read quotes with preconceptions of how we expect them to taken, rather than how they were intended.

  6. Collection of comments from Graham Lowden. … “We did make a request on 17 December last year and we have been working since to satisfy the requirements subsequently communicated to us…Subsequent to this application, the team was informed on 5 January 2015, that the Strategy Group felt that two teams – Marussia and Caterham – should be permitted to race a 2014 car in the 2015 championship…..Again, we did not make any application to yesterday’s Strategy Group meeting and nor were we asked to….following the initiation of the CVA process, the team is now actively engaged in achieving this. This process involves providing all relevant information to the teams to allow them to fully consider its request”.

    In the agreement of Jan-5 was there no deadline for providing the relevant info to the teams? Surely its cannot be an open-ended process. Seems like another case of “we forgot to include an end date”. Then suddenly just 1 month later on Feb-5 they decide to hold another vote. Sounds more like a Knee Jerk than Strategy Group.

    • Ah c’mon. You’re being a bit tough there……they’re merely being consistent and assisting hence the date oversight…..:-)

      • Isn’t it great to see though that the worlds elite motorsport journos have got in behind these delinquent tax dodgers, even if it is only guilt by association?
        Shame they can’t apply their selective standards to reporting fixes carried out by the FIA, or more specifically pose some tough questions on Bianchi and that Japanese matter……..

  7. Well, Bernie can give Force India some cash to pay its suppliers in exchange for Force India accepting Marussia. And we can see if Force India was really the only team voting against them.

    • Willing to bet that there are a few teams who would vote “no” and they suckered the new kid on the block to vote first and take the hit.

      • @biondi – possibly
        ….then Force India should have taken the calculated gamble of letting someone else do it – however, it appears they couldn’t afford the risk that everyone else would vote yes – due to their own cash needs – and so acted as they did.

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