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What a difference a year makes
Sutil to Sauber (Updated 17:00)
Where to start…… all in all some 3500 words have been added to the sporting regulations for 2014…. deep breath and here we go.
The FIA have today confirmed the new penalty points system which will in effect be endorsements attached to drivers’ super licenses. 12 points means an automatic ban for the next race and then the endorsements will be erased and the process begins again.
Points will remain not just for the calendar year, but for 12 months from the endorsement. The concept is to penalise persistent offenders whilst drivers who commit the odd minor offense now get points rather than an immediate penalty.
Unsafe release penalties have been strengthened and subject to the stewards’ opinion of the severity of transgression. In practice sessions or qualifying, the driver can be given a grid slot drop.
Further, if the unsafe release occurs during the race, the driver can receive a 10 second time penalty or ordered to serve a pit lane drive through. However, if following the incident the driver is unable to continue they will receive a 10 grid slot drop the following race.
Engine penalties are now specified too. The engine is deemed to have 6 components – the internal combustion engine, the motor generator unit-kinetic, the motor generator unit-heat, the energy store, the turbocharger and the control electronics.
Each element may fail 5 times without penalty. The first component to fail for a sixth time will attract a 10 place grid penalty. Then each other component failing a sixth time will merely see a 5 place grid drop applied.
A first component to fail 7 times will attract another 10 place drop, the second component to fail for a 7th time will only see a 5 place grid drop applied – and so on for 8,9,10…..
If the entire power unit fails this will mean the driver starts from the pit lane at the next opportunity.
Finally, should a driver incur more than one grid penalty before he has an opportunity to serve the first, the total number of positions penalised will be added together.
If a driver is unable to drop the necessary places the penalty requires, he will start 22nd at the next race and then drop the remaining places at the following race. It is unclear what would happen if a 3rd and 4th race were required to fulfil the penalty.
Gear box penalties are less lenient in 2014. Each unit must last six races or a 5 place grid penalty will be enforced.
Leaving the track
Cars leaving the track regulations have changed too. The bold words have been added for 2014. “Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track”.
Mmm. That clears that up then… Next………..!
The FIA sets out the definitions of the kinds of testing. Testing of Current Cars (TCC), Testing of Previous Cars (TPC), Testing of Historic Cars (THC) and Promotional Events (PE).
These are defined as follows in the Sporting Regulations: “Testing of Current Cars (TCC) shall be defined as any track running time, not part of an Event, in which a competitor entered in the championship participates (or in which a third party participates on behalf of a competitor), using cars which were designed and built in order to comply with the 2013, 2014 or 2015 Formula One Technical Regulations. No competitor may sell or make available a car of the current year to any third party without the full knowledge of the FIA.
Each competitor will also be permitted to carry out two Promotional Events (PE) with the above cars which will not be considered TCC. A PE shall be defined as an event in which a competitor participates purely for marketing or promotional purposes. No such test may exceed 100km in length and only tyres manufactured specifically for this purpose by the appointed supplier may be used.
In order that an FIA observer may be appointed, competitors must inform the FIA of any planned TCC or PE at least 72 hours before it is due to commence, the following information should be provided:
i) The precise specification of the car(s) to be used.
ii) The name(s) of the driver(s) if known.
iii) The nature of the test.
iv) The date(s) and intended duration of the test.
v) The purpose of the test.
22.2 Testing of Previous Cars (TPC) shall be defined as any track running time, not part of an Event, in which a competitor entered in the championship participates (or in which a third party participates on behalf of a competitor), using cars which were designed and built in order to comply with the 2010, 2011 or 2012 Formula One Technical Regulations.
TPC may only be carried out with cars built to the specification of the period and only tyres manufactured specifically for this purpose may be used.
In order that an FIA observer may be appointed, where possible competitors must inform the FIA of any planned TPC at least 72 hours before it is due to commence, the following information should be provided:
i) The precise specification of the car(s) to be used.
ii) The name(s) of the driver(s) if known.
iii) The nature of the test.
iv) The date(s) and intended duration of the test.
v) The purpose of the test.
[TJ13 asks: What is the difference between ‘nature’ and ‘purpose’.. Mmm]
22.3 Testing of Historic Cars (THC) shall be defined as any track running time, not part of an Event, in which a competitor entered in the championship participates (or in which a third party participates on behalf of a competitor), using cars which were designed and built in order to comply with the 2009 Formula One Technical Regulations or earlier.
THC may only be carried out with cars built to the specification of the period and only tyres manufactured specifically for this purpose, or tyres of the period, may be used”.
In season testing
The teams will be allowed 4, 2 day tests which must take place “on circuits where an event has just taken place, such tests commencing no less than 36 hours after the end of the relevant events.”
Pirelli have been given the opportunity to commandeer one of the days from 1 of each of the teams’ 4 tests regulated as follows.
“Allocation of dates will be negotiated with the appointed tyre supplier who will give priority to teams according to their positions in the previous year’s Championship.
Allocations must be declared by each team to the FIA before the start of the first Event of the Championship and may not be subsequently changed.
The team must test tyres on the allocated day according to run plan defined by the appointed tyre supplier.
The run plans and results for each day of tyre testing must be made available to all teams.
Tyres used during such testing day will not be drawn from the team’s annual allocation of tyres for testing”.
To the disbelief of many TJ13 readers, we asserted the principles behind this were being widely flouted by certain teams. The FIA believes this to be the case and has tightened the regulations governing the August break.
22.12 All competitors must observe a shut down period of fourteen consecutive days in the month of August during the time that two consecutive Events are separated by at least twenty four days.
Competitors should notify the FIA of their intended shut down period within 30 days of the start of the championship season.
During the shut down period no team, nor any of its suppliers, may carry out any of the following activities for or on behalf of the team:
a) Operation or use of any wind tunnel (excluding any service and maintenance activity).
b) Operation or use of any computer resource for Restricted CFD Simulations (excluding any service and maintenance activity).
c) Production or development of wind tunnel parts, car parts (including the power train), test parts or tooling.
d) Sub-assembly of car parts (including the power train) or assembly of cars.
e) Any work activity by any employee, consultant or sub-contractor engaged in development or production (excluding any work activity to be undertaken at the race track in preparation for the Event immediately following the shut down period).
Each competitor must notify its suppliers of the dates of its shut down period and must not enter into any agreement or arrangement with the intention of circumventing the prohibition on the above activities.
22.13 During the shut down period the following activities will not be considered a breach of the above:
a) Repairs carried out with the agreement of the FIA to a car seriously damaged during the Event preceding the shut down period.
b) The assembly and servicing of running or static show cars, none of which may entail the production, assembly or servicing of any current car parts.
c) The operation and use of any wind tunnel or computer resource for Restricted CFD Simulations provided this is being carried out for projects with no direct relation to Formula One or for or on behalf of a competitor that is not at that time within its own shut down period.
d) Any activity the sole purpose of which is supporting projects unconnected to Formula One, subject to the written approval from the FIA.
Free Practice 1
Teams may now use up to 4 drivers in this session, instead of the previously regulated 2. Further an extra set of the prime tyre will be issued in an attempt to encouraged the development of young drivers at the start of the session.
Poll position trophy
There had been debates in the F1 strategy group over introducing a 1 point reward for pole position. However, the final decision of the FIA is to not award points for pole or fastest laps but to present a trophy at the end of the season to the most successful driver in the season’s qualifying sessions.
In the event of a tie, Article 6.7 of the Sporting regulations states that “the driver with the greatest number of second places will win the trophy, if there is still the tie, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges”. Though unlikely, this clause is added. “If this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.”
Great… more ambiguity. Why not aggregate the differential between the tied drivers’ pole position times and the associated second place times…. and as is true in many walks of life – the biggest wins.
Also written into the rules, on the back of an earlier announcement about permanent driver numbers, is the necessity for drivers to display their chosen number on their helmet in “a large, visible format”.
Kimi is allegedly asking for the number 0. Apparently Ferrari asked for the number 27 to be permanently retired, but were refused.
Serious Fraud Office to investigate Ecclestone
Ecclestone one day may plot his way through the legal maze in which he presently finds himself and find he is still a free man and has avoided court sanction of any kind…. (and then sees a mouse swimming by).
Tonight, Ms Thornberry, MP for Islington South and Finsbury, has spoken out on BBC TV’s Newsnight broadcast over the lack of investigative interest from the British authorities in Ecclestone’s affairs.
She tells how she first wrote to Attorney General Dominic Grieve about Mr Ecclestone’s financial affairs in 2011, when he appeared as a witness in Gribkowsky’s trial.
“I got letters back which weren’t terribly informative to say the least… so we’re two years down the line and I’m very disappointed that it doesn’t seem as though the British authorities are taking this as seriously as they should be,” she claimed.
“It’s really important for the reputation of this country that people know that we don’t rely on prosecutors around the world to prosecute our citizens if our citizens have done something wrong. We should be able to prosecute.”
The Constantin v Ecclestone et al trial is coming to a conclusion in the High Court in London, and of course there is some political capital to be made by some over the fact Ecclestone just looks dodgy.
The Labour MP presses the point, “We cannot just walk away from this case. It does seem to me that we have a duty to investigate this. What is the Serious Fraud Office for if not for investigating cases like this?”
I guess at least Bernie will take comfort from the fact it is the ‘serious fraud’ office be called to action, and not the office for investigating insignificant bods.
Ms Thornberry persists like a dog with a bone, “All I can say is that from what we’ve seen in the German courts and the British civil courts, there are questions to be answered. There should be proper investigation by both the Serious Fraud Office and by HMRC about Bernie Ecclestone and as far as I can see that isn’t happening.
Whatever happens in Germany I want to know what’s happened in this country… I asked them two years ago… and as far as we can see nothing much has happened.”
Probably the most damming evidence the court heard was when Donald MacKenzie, chairman of CVC, claimed that Mr E had apologised to him for forgetting to tell him about the payment he made to the German bank director, Gribkowsky who influenced the banks decision on to whom the F1 commercial rights should be sold.
In fact, Ecclestone didn’t just forget, he was asked by MacKenzie whether a payment had been to made Gribkowsky 2 years ago and replied “no”.
Ms Thornberry said: “I do think it’s really quite remarkable.”
A spokesman for the Serious Fraud Office told Newsnight, “The SFO is fully aware of the ongoing investigations in Germany into Bernie Ecclestone.”
Perez Backs double points
TJ13 readers have dismissed the idea that the 2014 Abu Dhabi victory should be worth 50 points instead of the usual 25, by over 8 to 1. Further, this move has been branded by F1’s golden boy, Sebastian Vettel, as “absurd”.
Yet full of the joys of a new F1 lease of life, Sergio Perez – who was announced today as the Force India partner to Nico Hulkenberg for 2014 – says it’s a “positive” thing.
“For some it will be right and for some it will be wrong, but I see the positive,” he told the assembled media at the Mexican Embassy in London. “I think it will create a much better final race where things can completely change for everyone. I see it [as a] positive [thing]…I am OK with the rule.”
What a difference a year makes
Each year in December Autosport publish a table of the top ten Formula 1 drivers as voted for by the team principals. 2012 saw Fernando Alonso top the list with 269 points, no less than 71 more than second placed Sebastian Vettel.
Yesterday, the 2013 table was published however, Vettel is first with 246 points and Alonso 35 points behind with 213.
One year ago today, the first Mercedes soldier to fall at the hands of newly appointed Niki Lauda was Norbert Haug. Ross Brawn too has now gone, and the dream team Wolff and Lowe are in charge of taking things forward.
Goodbye F1 V8
The V8 era saw a number of interesting developments in F1. The first was the ‘engine freeze’ introduced in 2007 along with a rev limit set at 19,000 rpm. This was reduced in 2009 to 18,000 rpm and the homologation of the major engine parts forced the designers to look for other areas where they could improve performance.
Engine mapping was not at term many F1 fans would have heard at the turn of the millennium when the V10’s ruled the roost, however in the latter part of the F1 V8 engine era, Renault became the masters of this and delivered the right kind and amount of power/torque to the Newey’s designed cars which have dominated the sport for the past 4 years.
At times the F1 forums suggest that F1 has become mostly irrelevant to modern day mass motor manufacturers in terms of technology drip down. Yet prior to the 8 engine’s a season rule, F1 teams fitted and disposed of engines at will.
Rob White of Renault Sport reflects on the impact of the rule which forced teams to use an engine for up to 3 races. “We have therefore learned a lot about increasing engine and component life, without any major technology change or performance penalty. As a result engines can now run for up to 2,500km without any significant power drop off. In the past engine life was just over 350km, so we are running to more than seven times the distance of twelve years ago”.
Had the FIA not introduced a rev limit, White believes the engine manufacturers would have persued greater rpm until limited by the physics of the combustion process. This would be where diminishing returns would become evident from the increased friction with increasing rotational speed.
“Without any other new regulatory constraint, I imagine we would have reached over 22,000 rpm by now and would have found a further 75 horsepower (ie +10%), equivalent to a lap time gain of around 2 sec at Monza”.
The specifications which restricted the design of the V8 engines, was not particularly prescriptive. Whilst common characteristics including the bore size and rpm limit must be adhered to by all manufacturers, White reveals, “there are many thousands of design decisions that are not fixed in the regulations”.
The V8 engines were relatively immature and the manufacturers had fairly diverse solutions when the engine freeze was applied. Rob White believes that had the engine design remained ‘unfrozen’ the manufacturers over time would all have converged on similar solutions. The freeze in effect preserved the differing ‘structural architectures’ each engine manufacturer had at the time.
White reveals that the most difficult engine parts to maintain are the perennial stressed parts such as the pistons, connecting rods and bearings that the power travels through. “For example the pistons are stressed to more than 8,000 times the force of gravity (they accelerate from 0 to 100km/h in less than 1/2000th of a sec). The actual weight of a piston is only 250g but when the engine revs to its maximum limit of 18,000rpm (that’s 300 revs per second !) the acceleration exerts a force of 2 tonnes on the piston and conrod”.
The challenge the new F1 V6 turbos bring to the engine manufacturers is immense. Clearly Renault won the battle of the V8’s hands down from the rest, but it is unclear how things will fall when the first powertrain is fired up in anger on track in Jerez, January 28th.
It will be fascinating to see when the FIA actually enforce the design freezes for the new engines, and how this affects the balance of power at that time.
For now it’s a macro scramble to find the optimum solution, before the curtain comes down on that part of the new engine developments, and the micro management becomes the focus.
(Quotes from Renault Sport published interview with Rob White)
Sutil to Sauber
Manfred Zimmermann, Sutil’s manager, states today that, “Adrian has a 2014 Formula 1 drive”, though he wouldn’t name with which team.
Yet this announcement can mean only one thing, Sutil will be in a Sauber next year. The German has dismissed more than once driving for Caterham and Marussia and other than that – there are no more F1 drives up for grabs.
Who will partner Sutil is still unclear. There have been reports that Gutierrez has been seen at Caterham and also that GIedo van der Garde has been spotted in Hinwil.
Gutierrez recently told South American publication, Total-Race, “We continue to work hard. I think there are good opportunities to continue in Formula 1 for me and I hope it works out. For me, Sauber is a priority because in Formula 1, continuity is important, but it’s always good to keep your options open.”
Motorsport Total reports that the change has now been officially declared. According to Sutil himself the contact with Sauber had been established around the time of the Singapore weekend. Sutil already had a Force India contract for 2014 (via option), but Force India bought him out of it to hire Hülkenberg. This explains why the announcement of Sutil’s Sauber contract took relatively long.
“Prior to the start of the 2014 World Championship season race numbers will be permanently allocated to drivers by ballot, such numbers must then be used by that driver during every Formula 1 championship event he takes part in throughout his career.” Doesn’t “by ballot” mean randomly, like a lottery? Or is my knowledge of english limiting my understanding of what this means? To add to my confusion apparently FIA media delegate Matteo Bonciani has confirmed that the method announced previously, where each driver will choose his number, will be used disregarding what the regulations state.
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Perez, poor kid, he doesn’t know what he is saying. He was crucified by most people in Mexico after he was fired by McLaren, they accused him of expressing his true belief of the quality of the car McLaren gave him. For those of you that aren’t Mexicans like Perez and me, let me explain: in Mexico most people still believe that white people are actually gods and people like Perez or myself that after living between these beings have discovered they are mere mortals just like us are in great danger if decide to reveal the truth to others. He was probably advised to never again express an opinion different to that of a pale-skinned, blue-eyed, bearded god if he doesn’t want to spend all eternity burning in Mictlan.
I’m sorry but I absolutely do not agree with the second part of your post. I’m Mexican too mind you but I’d really like to know where you heard that. I HAVE heard one particular commentator whip him repeatedly over his choice of manager (Adrian Fernandez), his “lack of focus”, arrogance and “lack of hunger”. The last part was particularly stupid because he wanted him out on track for the whole of the FPs. If anything I’ve hear people knock him for speaking in a Spanish accent, part of the perceived arrogance. At any rate, this *might* be a function of where you live.
As to why Perez would say that, F1 as a spectator sport appeals mostly to middle-class (and higher) male individuals. Most of them are plainly uninformed, stating things like “monopolies are always bad, witness Pirelli and how they didn’t care enough to make a safe tire” and other nonsense. In this vein, it would make perfect sense to keep interest in the final race if Vettel is 18 points ahead in the championship making a miracle possible, since the majority of casual fans do not care about the purity of the sport or justice, they just want to watch a race where the champion is already known.
“… they just want to watch a race where the champion is already known.” (???)
“…champion is [NOT] already known.” ???
Right, thanks Joe.
Google “Sergio Perez” > Noticias (news) Flywheel, there’s a lot of critics, specially from newspapers -note that the articles are mostly low quality and not well informed, as usual with anything that isn’t football (soccer) in Mexico-. Also check the comments from people using social networks, again he is severely criticized, not for his performance but for not being submissive to McLaren, and sincerely, he never said anything bad about McLaren, he only said that the car they produced for 2013 wasn’t a good car.
” He was probably advised to never again express an opinion different to that of a pale-skinned, blue-eyed, bearded god…”
As a pale-skinned, blue-eyed, scruffy-faced god quien se maneja bien el castellaño, te pido, por favor, déja de hablar tanta mierda y de los esteriotipos!
Lo siento Joe, pero en los cuatro meses pasados viajé mucho en todo el país. La actitud cambia en todos los lugares. Yo vivo en Guadalajara, y allá, la cuestión de raza nunca es un problema pero talvez donde Juan vive sea más importante…
Agree with both of you. Stereotypes suck, but where there is smoke there’s usually fire.
From your friendly old Michael flatley dancing, drinking and fightin, leprechaun with a pot o’gold under every rainbow begorra living in the misty emerald isle of saints and scholars top o’ the mornin to ya bejaysis.
In English please……..pretty please?
Google translate my friend, worked for me. 🙂
Well that’s 5mins of my life I won’t get back!
Sorry CV. Was obliged to report it… Did make a special effort not to just re-print certain sections which make no sense as issued by the FIA… In fact decoding the drivers/engine stuff took ages…
Legend! You’ve a gr8 sense of humour CV 🙂
Judge, I wasn’t complaining about the news, just the 5mins it took me to get one of the previous comments translated into English, just to find it wasn’t that interesting anyway lol.
Don’t stop bring the news in detail, I loves it I do!
Irish blood by any chance Joe? If so, don’t forget the freckles.
Haven’t seen many gods around this way in quite a while. Few goddess’s mind!
dual national, actually (USA & Ireland) … legend/god in my own mind! 😉
The comment is obviously an acid joke from my part Joe Papp -well, not so obviously apparently, that’s the problem with this kind of communication, you can’t see my expression or hear the tone of my words-. But as I said to Flywheel, Perez has been harshly criticized in Mexico for not being submissive to McLaren, with some people suggesting he shouldn’t have expressed his true opinion on the car just to please people around.
I see you speak spanish, but I don’t know how well you know Mexican culture. Mexico isn’t a developed country and the reason is nobody ever has tried to develop the internal economy, since I remember every president that has had this country speaks -like Peña Nieto does almost every day in present times- about opening the doors to foreign industry, reducing taxes to foreing companies, etc., most recently the country went through a laboral reform that allows further exploitation of workers from big companies in order to create interest on international companies to stablish business in Mexico. In the other hand local industry has never received any incentive to grow up. Every time the USA has a mild economic crisis Mexico instead of taking the opportunity to strengthen local currency opts for having a bigger crisis.
This submission to foreign interests are the norm since the spaniards showed up in the XVI century and its even today a huge cultural problem, between many others, that Mexico can’t yet overcome. The gods part of my comment refers to the fact that Moctezuma, when could defeat the spaniards chose to ask his soldier to back off in the belief that they were gods and Hernán Cortés was Quetzalcóatl. Quetzalcóatl was probably a viking who lived between them in past times. At one point he decided to try to return home and promised to come back. With time he reached the stature of god and prophecies of his return were written, he was expected to return “from the east, with white, bearded men”.
The problem is deep rooted in Mexican culture that most people don’t notice because they have never thought different.
Anyway, it was an acid joke.
I didn’t try to offend anybody, mortal or god, by the way.
no problem, Juan. thanks for providing the additional context. It wasn’t seriously offensive or anything, what you wrote, but it was stereotypical and as someone who’s lived, trained and competed throughout Latin America, I wanted to challenge you on it. And I appreciate the additional insight and feelings you shared w/ us. Chau!
I’m neither bleu eyed nor blond. But i like the god part 😊
Of the 5 things listed that teams must inform the FIA of 72 hours prior to a test, where the test is to be conducted was not one of them! Does 72 hours give the FIA enough time to figure it out for themselves or are they planning a game of hide and seek?
” display their chosen number on their helmet in “a large, visible format”.”
visible to whom, from where, at what distance? Why can’t they make these kind of signs a standard form? x colour. a cms x b cms in size at l,m,n locations on the driver’s helmet, car. Is that too much?
I think putting the # on the helmet is a TERRIBLE idea! It ruins the look and feel of the helmet graphic design and just looks stupid if done such as to actually be visible.
Gah these fucking idiots at the FIA!!!
Are Joe, you forget at the FIA they are in a garlic enduced euphoria from all the breakfast and lunch meetings on expenses.
Maybe if they lived in the relm of normal people the rules would…….make sense!
do you think the helmet #s will be well-integrated into the graphic design of helmets, or look stupid? I think it’s such a bad idea b/c I remember how dumb we looked when forced to put on helmet #s where they weren’t intended…so silly. but hey, maybe someone will make a great # design. cheers!
“Serious Fraud Office to investigate Ecclestone”
Shouldn’t this headline at least have a ‘?’ at the end…? Or ‘won’t’ instead of ‘to’…
I read and re-read. Didn’t get the vibe…
Peter, what BlackJack is saying is that b/c it’s not a done-deal yet and SFO hasn’t formally agreed to begin a probe that the headline shouldn’t be written as a declarative like it is now but should read
“Serious Fraud Office to investigate Ecclestone?” or
“Serious Fraud Office Asked to investigate Ecclestone”
“An MP is calling for a Serious Fraud Office probe into the financial affairs of Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone.
It comes as a seven-week civil case over an £85m ($140m) damages claim against the billionaire, 83, concludes.
He denies making corrupt payments to facilitate the sale of F1, and says he paid a German banker £10m because he was threatened over his tax affairs.
Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry told BBC Newsnight that UK authorities had a duty to investigate…”
Thanks Joe –
It’s the same with the above: “Sutil to Sauber” which is also presented as a done deal, but isn’t really confirmed…
It’s not (entirely…) that I’m pedantic but if I have no particular interest in Sutil I might read the headline, accept it as fact, and move along…
“Serious Fraud Office to investigate Ecclestone?” Does that make it clear? ‘?’.?
Agree that the headline is misleading.
However, if it was true, Ecclestone need not worry. indeed, he might jump for joy – because the record of SFO prosecutions resulting in success is abysmal.
“Factory shutdown | 22.12 All competitors must observe a shut down period of fourteen consecutive days in the month of August…”
|||||| To the disbelief of many TJ13 readers, we asserted the principles behind this were being widely flouted by certain teams. The FIA believes this to be the case and has tightened the regulations governing the August break. ||||||||
THIS one I remember for sure, Judge and it’s great to see that (you called it ) FIA are taking this seriously and articulating in such detail what the August break is all about w/r/t rules. I admit I’m too lazy right now to look up current regs, but great also to see they’ve got a blanket prohibition on subverting the break via 3rd party arrangements:
“Each competitor must notify its suppliers of the dates of its shut down period and must not enter into any agreement or arrangement with the intention of circumventing the prohibition on the above activities.”
Doesn’t stop Adrian with his pencils and protractor 😉
Pole position trophy, just seems rather pointless to me, I can’t see anyone celebrating winning that unless its combined with the the drivers championship. Yet again, the FIA have so nearly got a good idea, then send out a floppy, limp decision in its place. I would have liked to see points awarded for the top three qualifiers, might be the only consistent way of getting points this year if the fears on reliability are to be believed! Just on that, do we think that less laps will be done in qualifying? To save the powertrain?
Agree. Points or GTFO.
Re: What is the difference between ‘nature’ and ‘purpose’
The nature is how you test, the purpose is why you test. The most common nature will be: drive X number of laps with various parts/settings; With the common purpose: to find out the best set-up.
(or did I miss a sarcasm sign somewhere?)
…how do you do a sarcasm sign….
yep, nature might be a straight line test. Purpose might be to give a reserve driver some mileage.
I always find it helps to use real world examples to better understand new rules.
i) The precise specification of the car(s) to be used. Mercedes RWD V8 petrol
ii) The name(s) of the driver(s) if known. Luis and Nick
iii) The nature of the test. Tyres
iv) The date(s) and intended duration of the test. Spain, couple of days after the race
v) The purpose of the test. Ummmm……Tyres?? 😉
See, works perfect. LOL!
I don’t know if I’m reading this right, but it sounds like teams like Red Bull / Torro Rosso could benefit from the shutdown regulations. If they made sure their shutdowns overlapped as little as possible, they could do windtunnel / CFD work during their shutdown for the other team, in effect giving them double capacity.
Daft question – is the double points drivers only or both WCC and WDC points? Would make more sense to be WDC only if it has to be in at all.
Testing – why do they feel the need to create rules for old cars? How will this affect people who buy old cars and run them in series like the BOSS? Also, are the actual dates fixed in the rules? Seems a bit odd to me, they will have to re-write them every year to reflect which years they want to cover.
Double points – Its for both WDC and WCC
Idk about you guys but i find that paragraph fucking amazing!: For example the pistons are stressed to more than 8,000 times the force of gravity (they accelerate from 0 to 100km/h in less than 1/2000th of a sec). The actual weight of a piston is only 250g but when the engine revs to its maximum limit of 18,000rpm (that’s 300 revs per second !) the acceleration exerts a force of 2 tonnes on the piston and conrod”.
I read about the old V10’s a while back and they have some even more mind blowing figures, especially the BMW when they got it to hit 22,000rpm. You just don’t realise howuch energy there is in a few grams of fuel.
Sutil was sure he had a contract.
Foreplay before court?
Absolutely right, if his manager says, Sutil has a contract, this could also mean he has one with Force India, which is worth not the paper written on.
Lets wait and see…
… I agree with you both, however, it seems kind of pointless to state this after yesterday’s announcement.
If Sutil has am unresolved contract with FI – he will sue or settle so no need for the inference from his manager
however that goes, he won’t be driving an FI car in 2014.
Sauber is not a team we have particularly close connections with, though we do with a couple of Swiss F1 media folk.
They are fairly certain Sutil will be in Sauber in 2014
But you are right – nothing is a done deal in F1 until it is happening…….
For those in the UK, the newsnight report on Bernie –
I’m assuming the UK Government is waiting to see how the various lawsuits and the trial in Germany goes before they let the SFO investigate his tax affairs etc It will be a big step to take, as I think his tax bill could be in the region of £2 billion.
Great link, thanks for this!
i think HMRC will tell SFO to keep away from this and let HMRC deal with it first.
SFO then can have a second bite of the cherry and take ten or more years at another failed prosecution, by which time Ecclestone might be pushing up daisies anyway.
I’ll believe Sutil is driving for Sauber when I see him line up on the grid for the first race of the 2014 season.
And it IS confirmed..
Sauber confirm signing of Adrian Sutil for the 2014 season
Now they announced it via twitter and killed with this their website 😉
Read the 17:00 update. That explains it 🙂
Sign petition if you want double points at last race scrapped
RE Shutdown period – there are so many holes in those “rules” my grandma could easily circumvent them. Those FIA peeps should really learn how to write solid rules.
How about: “For a consecutive period of 14 days in the month of August 2014, no team may do any work at any facility relating to any F1 activities at all. If a transgression is observed, the team will be immediately excluded from the driver’s and constructor’s championships without exemption. The consecutive days must start a minimum of one week after the last GP prior, to allow for any repairs and cleanup work following that event.”
This is air tight, and of course how would you police it? But the risk of full exclusion if found out should be a good deterrent. There must be punishment if rules aren’t followed, or else whats the point of rules?
It’ll be interesting, how FIA want to police that? What about Red Bull Technology? Are they to shutdown, too? And will Caterham and Toro Rosso be forced to shutdown at the same time as RBR, so RBT can be closed down?
What about Brixworth and Brackley? Will they both have to shut down? And how does FIA check that the work isn’t being secretly continued in Stuttgart? This whole shutdown cannot really be checked. Way too many loopholes.
Yes , very hard to police, unless the teams are forced to have a seperate computer system for only F1 purposes (allowing RB Technology to still function with their other interests) and that must be shut down for all 14days, I know there are pens and pencils but not allowing any IT system to be fired up would most definitely hinder any serious amounts of work.
The problem with windtunnel shutdown apart from maintenance and repairs, if you repair it, the only way to know if you have fixed it would be to test it in its everyday working loads and the projects that are windtunnel relevant, so that’s that rule circumnavigated.
That same sort of problem applies to not only RB bit McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and Williams as they all have other interests away from F1. I mean, do they want the entire Ferrari facility to close up for 2weeks, plus do the engine departments have to close up as they are not wholly part of the F1 teams, even the works teams. The whole idea is flawed, I know the idea is that it allows all staff a break midseason from trackside to the receptionist, but is a team (who are also a business) going to seriously have no-one answering the phones etc……really? I don’t think so.
Contrary to the solution I offered in my previous comment… You are correct… It’s a stupid idea.
On fact lets Ho racing in August too…
You work in F1, you roll with it I say..
Presumably it’s what it says: You can repair/maintain the tunnel but NOT test it. If the repair turns out to be insufficient, tough.
As an extreme, fundamentalist, objector to over-regulation I totally dismiss stupid ideas that costs can ever be capped, and see no earthly reason to pussyfoot around making sure the poor guys get a holiday…
As my dear old Mother used to say: “God give me strength…! They haven’t got the sense they were born with…!” 😉
… More f1 nihilism DS? It can’t be done… Therefore it can’t exist….
Make the teams account for specific areas of F1 work into their F1 company….
Have a budget, which plans outsourced activity in general…
As I said on the week… The fear of a McLaren style penalty from spy gate.. Really works when intellectual property is being discussed…
Brawn to take six-month sabbatical
Out-going Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn will take a six-month sabbatical before deciding whether to return to the sport, the Briton said on Friday.
I wonder if it will include some carp fishing in Japan ?
Bit of a tenuous link with Honda there, but I think he is a Fly man and not into bait fishing. Lol
I did a whole piece 2 weeks ago you sluggards on the origins of fly fishing in Japan :((((
Missed that, fly fishing is really for toffs, give me lake full of carp on a sunny day and a bag of Pedigree Chum mixers and I’m a happy man. (i love fishing to the same extent I love F1, the only difference is I can go fishing anytime but can’t attend races 3times a week lol)