Daily #F1 news and Comment: Saturday 30th November 2013

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Ferrari testing what at Fiorano

Ferrari testing what at Fiorano

Some are suggesting Ferrari may be up to something. It appears Alonso’s simulator work could be a bit more realistic simulation though.

Apparently this is their V6 turbo unit. A quick straw poll on the sounds, you’ve now had an opportunity to hear the Renault, Mercedes and now the Ferrari, which sounds the best and how does it compare to the V8?


52 responses to “Daily #F1 news and Comment: Saturday 30th November 2013

  1. It’s really hard to tell from a recording like this played out through tiny speakers, but it sounds pretty promising to me!

    • I quite like it, sounds best of the rest to me although not going fast and it’s a bit of an amphitheater there so sounds more beefy… Bring on Jerez! 🙂

      • There’re some memories returning after listening to that.
        I hope it was the real thing, if so bring it on.

  2. I don’t care how they sound. It will be what it will be, and it won’t change viewership one little bit.

    Likewise, I don’t care if they have “ugly” noses.

    It amazes me how concerned people can be about these trifling things.

    • These trifling little things..? I take it you don’t attend any races then because if you did you’d appreciate how the sound of the engines is one of the most evocative and thrilling aspects of the experience.

      • Bah ! Humbug !

        To quote the great Ulrich Baretzky –

        ‘ Sound is a form of energy. The quieter an engine is – the more efficient it is.

        Quiet is sexy …… ‘


        • The most amazing sound i ever heard is to this day the v10 with some 900+bhp and 21000 rpm… and i never met anybody who heard them live who said that that sound didnt impress him (her).

        • Yes, while I’ve been to plenty of races and heard lovely motors over the years, I’m in the Ulrich Baretzky camp as well. I’m pleased F1 motors will now better reflect modern technology and help to drive forward the technologies of efficient energy production.

          • “I’m pleased F1 motors will now better reflect modern technology ” —


            wait, I’m confused: are you happy b/c you think that F1 motors through 2013 have failed to take advantage of modern technology (i assume you mean in their design, development, & production)? I understand engine development has been frozen for quite some time, but…

            Or are you suggesting that you’re happy that F1 engines will now “better reflect” what might be considered ‘real world’ application of modern technology vs. driving technological innovation and automotive engineering excellence?

            While obviously highly tech-driven, F1 is also highly-emotive (able to arouse intense feeling) and aural stimulation & sensation is an integral part of the F1 fan’s experience. To that end, I would much prefer to hear the sound that I love of a screaming 3.0L V10 than know that F1 engines were becoming “greener” or “eco-friendly” as so more acceptable to the politically-correct. But that’s just how I feel and it’s what I think. Others can certainly disagree.

            I also acknowledge that F1 in its current form is a business first and foremost and so it must continue to meet the desires/needs of the markets it targets and even try to grow w/in those markets (or expand further), so concerns of a sporting nature, or emotive-issues like engine spec and the sound of the motor, may be considered by those in power for how they impact the ‘business’ of F1 first and foremost.

            F1 needs to do what it needs to do in order to stay relevant and survive, but I hope it can do so without kowtowing to politically-correct troublemakers in govt and media who would attack/criticize F1 in terms of its carbon-footprint, or irrelevance to road car tech., or a thousand other things…

          • Hi Joe – I appreciate the thoughtful question and comments.

            You’ve said, “I would much prefer to hear the sound that I love of a screaming 3.0L V10…”. There are many places to hear that sound today, but it’s not originated from an F1 race since 2005. Myself, I prefer that screaming Ferrari F1 V12, but both of those motors are fairly backwards and inefficient compared to today’s racing technology.

            Note that the size of the 2014 motors has been reduced from 2.4L to 1.6L and yet are expected to produce more torque.

            Technology marches on… and despite the fears of many, when the 5 red lights go out in Melbourne on March 16th, it will sound fabulous, as every other F1 race start does.

          • Hi Vortex. I couldnt’ reply to your reply for some reason so I’ll just thank you for your follow-up and acknowledge what you’ve said about reduced displacement and increased torque. I was listening to a lot of James Allen podcasts tonight and he had an interview w/ (iirc) Mercedes’ F1 engine development project manager and there was some interesting detail.

            I won’t repeat my comment here, but I shared one more thought on the engine reg. changes here:


            and expressed my frustration about how the changes have been sold to the public, via the media, as making the sport more sustainable and relevant by forcing adoption of “green” perspective, but the results from the boardrooms don’t register this, as companies considering sponsoring F1 (who can actually afford to) are NOT attracted to F1 in 2014 b/c the engines are presented as eco-friendly, green, or politically correct!

            I guess though if F1 is to be pinnacle of motorsport it was time to unleash the engineers so they could implement new tech w/ new designs, like you said initially…


  3. There has been some talk recently about creating a new award for the driver each year who records the most Pole Positions…
    In the past twenty years only twice have the most poles been recorded by a driver other than the world champion (and three times 2-3 drivers shared)…

    I don’t see the point…

  4. Bit outside the ambit of today’s page Judge but have you any whisperings regarding Sony and McLaren?

  5. I think this is Ferrari testing out or working on the 2015 LMP1 contender. No open wheel formula 1 car can gain any thing from such a test. Rubbish you guys have started posting! Updates with tj13 used to be kick ass a few months back. These days you guys aren’t even punctual and plus the stuff you’ll post is BS.

    • A couple of things trouble me.

      Why would Ferrari enter LMP 1 ?

      And why would they use their F1 engine if they did ?

      The LMP rules say –

      Engines cubic capacity, air restrictors and turbo pressures have been eliminated, fuel injection pressure free

      Power of the cars controlled by a homologated fuel flow metre.

      Limit on the amount of fuel per lap

      The hybrid systems are free but limited in the quantity of energy and in number

      So would they be required to re-engineer their F1 powertrain a little or a lot ?

      Entry into LMP 1 is expensive.

      I don’t have figures ( does anyone else ? ) on how much Audi or Porsche are spending – but I’ll bet it’s a hell of a lot more than most F1 teams.

      Ferrari aren’t exactly flush with spare cash – so how would they fund it ?

      And are they willing to take the risk of being humiliated if such a project was a failure ?

      Hmmm ……

      LMP regs here –


      • Some say audi has a budget triple of toyota. But since audi is property of the vw concern. They may get a big limit this year. As porsche is also a vw company. And i dont think they want to spend 6 times the budget as toyota does?

      • Hmmmm….indeed Manky.
        Some rubbish has been posted and I don’t think you’re the culprit.

    • The new F1 engines can be used in LMP 1 (with some modifications).
      By running the new engine in a sports car, Ferrari can get around the testing rules in F1 (will not be surprised if Renault and Mercedes have not done the same thing). Meaning they can shake down the engine, check that the data correlates with what they’ve been getting from the dyno and if it is Alonso driving then it gives him a chance to get used to the torque the new engine produces and any other quirks. Basically it means Ferrari can hit the ground running in the first pre season test. It’s a bit silly to say that Ferrari can learn nothing from using it’s new engines in a sports car pounding around a track all day collecting data for the engineers to use to fix and improve the engine.

      Expect Horner to have a whinge about this one.

      • I totally agree with you about testing the engine outwith the F1 rules.

        I’d do exactly the same.

        However, elf thought it was a 2015 LMP 1 car.

        After looking more closely at the video – it looks nothing like it. The aero is all wrong, and I think the driver is in the wrong place.

        What it looks like is simply a testing mule. It looks a bit like a 458 with a long tail. What it’s testing is anybody’s guess ….. 😉

        And maybe with the Stig’s Spanish cousin driving 😉

        However – I’m still dubious about using the F1 engines for LMP 1.

        Obviously, with modification, they’d comply – but would you really put a 1.6 turbo up against a 3 or 4 litre turbo or a 4 or 5 litre NA engine ? Coz that’s what the opposition are likely to have.

        And do Ferrari have the resources to build and develop two different race engines simultaneously ?

        • Simple answer to your last question – Fiat might be investing in race engines to develop the fuel efficiency and Energy Recovery Systems for road cars. No better way to test new tech than in the cut and thrust of motor sport. I do think the car is a testing mule for the F1 engine and tbh I’d be surprised if Ferrari entered LMP 1 itself, Engine supplier seems like a more likely possibility.
          If it is indeed a test mule for the F1 engine, then Alonso was probably behind the wheel.

        • Who says its an engine for an lmp1. Ferrari have gt2 cars in wec running… they might benefit from a 1.6l turbo. Maybe a bit more economical than a 3l. So less pitstops in 24hours. Thats a massive gain. That might make up for the fact that they are a bit slower. Speed isnt everything. I once saw a gt2 win the 24hours of spa (against mighty gt1) due to its less power. In the wet…

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  7. What I just briefly heard (not having watched entire clip) I don’t think the engine noise and exhaust note is terrible, and the wheezy turbo whoosh sound is kinda cool, but I don’t think it’s at all comparable to the amazing sound of F1 here:

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