45 responses to “Nigel Mansell says Hamilton can beat Schumacher F1 records”

1. The numbers are not shown correctly.
   Fangio has the highest win ratio at 46.15%, Schumacher is only 6th (4th if you exclude the 2 Americans involved in Indy only).

2. I seriously doubt it. F1 has become much less tolerant for prolonged unchallenged dominance.

   • Especially if does not result in Ferrari winning.

3. It would be interesting to see what Michael’s stats were at the same point in his career (155 races). Any easy way to get that? Lewis looks likely to beat the pole positions, but the others seem a stretch unless we are in for five more years of Mercedes domination.

   • Hamilton’s stats are looking remarkably like Senna’s at the moment.. Vettel as well!

   • Totally agree. I can’t see Merc dominating for another 5 years. Having said that, if Lewis finds himself in an after-Merc dominant team, everything’s possible.

     One other big factor is what talent will follow in terms of drivers and hence depriving Hamilton (or Vettel or Alonso) from being in another dominant team. Schumacher was the outstanding talent of his generation, just him, and he dominated with the help of Ferrari (and F*cough* I *cough*A). Then Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel appeared. If no big talents follow them, then they can go on driving till their mid- to late-30s and one of them potentially threaten some of Schuey’s records.

4. As a Hamfosi, I can’t see him breaking Schumacher’s record, actually I don’t see anyone doing so.

   He would need to average 10-11 wins and 15 podiums per season over the next 5 years so as to pull level. That’s an astronomical amount, maybe he will match the pole record, but that’s all down to how good the car is.

   But as they say, “records were meant to be broken”…. So it could happen, but I doubt it.

   • It’s plausible, (probable to me), that by the end of 2016, Hamilton might be a four time WDC with perhaps 50-55 GP wins. The writing is on the wall for this season, and Hamilton is in career-best form, and I can’t see the situation drastically altering in 2016 either.

     The question is beyond that…

     But if ‘beyond 2016’ works out in Hamilton’s favour car wise, you’ll be amazed at how the numbers will stack up so quickly with a few rolling years of consistent success. Anything is possible.

     A long time ago no one could see Prost’s 51 wins, Senna’s 65 poles and Fangio’s 5 WDC’s being matched.

     Of course, there is Vettel, and he could easily get on another roll too with Ferrari. In the end, we might have two guys that fall short of Schumacher but exceed everyone else.

   • Fortis, is that you?

     • Let me check. I think the Borg collective have assimilated me, those aren’t my words….😂😂😂

   • Well there was a 44 year old record broken this weekend in le mans. So anything is possible

     • Which record Bruznic?

       • Lap record.The previous record was set by Jackie Oliver in a Porsche 917LH at the 1971 Le Mans race. Due to the added length of the circuit as well as the addition of over double the corners and the break-up of the Mulsanne straight, LMP1 racers have been unable to better Oliver’s 3:18.4 lap until now.

         the Audi R18 e-tron #7 did a 3:17.475 in the race. So a second faster! I know in quali the porsche with jani behind the wheel did a 3:16 but that doesn’t count. Only race laps.

5. With a bit of luck F1 will be wound up before we get anywhere near this appalling prospect.

   • Depends.
     If after this year Alonso wins in his one-year-race-tested mchonda and continues… And then Hamilton goes to Force India and helps them develop and turns them into a early-2000’s-Ferrari… Well then we surely would be in for some fun, no?

6. He’ll probably beat the pole record, there’s 12 races left this season and I think he’ll be good for pole for 8 of them. Then next season the Mercedes will likely still be the fastest over one lap so that should be another 12 poles or so. Then the rest of his career to get 6 more, should be doable.

   Total assumption from me there but I don’t think you can call it outlandish assumptions.

   As for the rest of the records? No chance.

7. Unmentioned is that Lewis trails Seb in most categories, and Vettel is 2+ years younger. Nigel was just being nice to Lewis.

   • True, but the jury is still out on how much it was the car and how much was Vettel. Alonso and Hamilton only need a car that’s in the ball park to mount a challenge, where as Vettel probably needs the outright best, even if it’s only by a little. But time will tell, and you don’t win four WDC’s by fluke.

     • I disagree. IMO, Fernando and Lewis have better raw driving skills, but overall, as rounded drivers, taking all the skills required to succeed into account, they are no better than Sebastian. Not one bit.

8. Well until 2019. I give him more 20 poles, more 15 wins, more 115 races (?), more 50 podiums and more 3 wdc years.

   Wow…what a fanboy!

9. This reminds of the week after Murray won Wimbledon for the one and only time. I don’t think Hamilton can break all this records. I can see him breaking the race wins and podium finishes, maybe the wins but that many championships will be very hard for him. First we have to assume no team will be faster than Mercedes F1 for the time Lewis is in F1 and that Rosberg won’t get a couple in within those years. Best enjoy Lewis’s success as it lasts and not worry if he will beat the German to the best F1 driver of all time.

   • Wow, we found the only Rosberg fan on here.😂

     • not a Rosberg fan at all, not a Hamilton fan either, some people just don’t worship any drivers. Hamilton’s great, but I think there are some other drivers who could do the same job in his car. Rosberg is not one of them for sure, Hamilton needs to concentrate on F1 to beat these records, he must not let showbiz and his music hobby get in the way, if he wants to achieve these.

10. I’m certain he’s not aiming for Schu’s record but rather Senna’s. Anymore would certainly be a bonus.

11. In terms of %’s, the lion’s share of Michael’s success came in the first 250 GP’s raced in his “first” or “primary” career; basically to his first retirement from Ferrari at the end of 2006.

    However, I’m not saying that the 60 odd GP’s and three seasons he raced for Mercedes don’t count, they do; I am highlighting how devastatingly dominant Michael was up to his first retirement.

    Given Michael achieved all his wins and titles to the end of ‘career the first’, his wins strike rate is closer to 36.5%,which is amazing. He secured 7 WDC’s in 14 full seasons (91 & 99 excluded as only part seasons) of competing. Additionally, he competed for a further three WDC’s (97, 98 & 06); so all things considered, he competed for a massive 10 WDC’s within that 14 seasons…

    But what earned my admiration more than the pure numbers is the context of his success. The early Ferrari years. That first title finally being secured in 2000 against the mighty West McLaren Mercedes team and Mika Hakkinen at his peak. For those who watched F1 in the 90’s, you’d have seen how useless, how truly useless, the Ferrari team was and what Schumacher and co. did with the cars produced in 96, 97, 98, 99 and to a lesser extent 2000.

    We all know of the domination of 01, 02, 03, 04. These years were pure metronomic, precise execution and with a totally suffocating consistency, at the very highest level, across all parameters. I loved every minute of it. I suspect that the core team formed over 96 and 97 did so well, every weekend, because they knew what it was like to have a shit car, and were terrified of going back to it.

    Take that six consecutive constructors titles away between 99-04 and what does Ferrari’s record look like then? Even Di Montezemolo recently dedicated his Hall of Fame entry to Michael, and rightly so.

    Anyway, it was nice to put my fanboi cap back on… it still fits nicely. I better stop before I have a heart attack.

    #ForzaMichael
    #Schufosi
    #DerReinmeister

    • Fully agree but would like to add The current regulations work in favour of Lewis and Merc(just like Michael in 2000) however what many don’t remember is the few years of close calls and bad cars Michael had to develop before the success came,I do believe that the Mercs development before last year had a lot to do with Michaels input from the previous years,even Lauder brought Lewis into the team knowing they had a stormer of a car (input from a old world champ maybe?). What Michael did will be so hard for the current drivers to beat,the chap was a worthy champion and I have to admit..I hope his achievements are never beaten

    • Now you see my POV. Are these records from the ‘Imaginary F1 records of Narnia’? Of course not!

      • I have not said that Michael has done anything that he in fact did not… Your comment suggested Lewis earned something he did not. I simply made light of that, and accepted your final response without riposte.

        But that point to one side, a lot of my comments are tongue in cheek. So I genuinely apologise for upsetting you, if indeed that is what I did. Your view is as valid as mine and anyone else’s view.

        Peace,

        WTF

        • Interestingly, there has been a remarkable growth of acronyms which began as text speak, but now are part of our daily lives in many mediums.

          You will regularly he people say ‘dub-ya-tee-eff!’ (WTF) as some polite or understated method of cussin’ in public.

          I suggest TJ13 proposes a new text acronym.

          TIG – for tongue in cheek.

          @WTF_F1 You are sooooooo misunderstood 😉

          • TIG – hmmm, I like it… a new acronym is born!

            On this day, our Judge bore from his intellectual vagina, TIG.

            I love it.

            …and yes, @WTF; the great misunderstood, TIG.

        • Not upset.. just not expecting the sarcasm stick across the bare cheeks! 😛

          Records and racing are similar.. they are ongoing. Schumi’s to 2006 was like Hamilton’s to the safety car. From a GOAT POV, both messed up in their final chapter. Surely not considering 10-12, would be like not considering the race after the SC application (instead substituting it with a red flag)?

          TIG.. I like it.. gives a whole new meaning to tig bits.. ! 😉
          Disclaimer: Yes, TJ13 means TIC.. tongue is firmly in cheek.

          • Use your imagination for why I substituted ‘G’ for ‘C’ 😉

          • I shall go with the gavel.. nothing tickly about that!

          • TUG sounds painful….. tongue under gavel

          • Tongue under gavel.. for the severest moderations !

12. ‘Alonso will beat Schumacher’s records’

    ‘Vettel will beat Schumacher’s records’

    And now we’re talking about Lewis…

    Not happening.

    • No student, Mansell said “probably”…😉😉

    • I think Vettel is on the way to match Schumacher’s records. In fact, Vettel is following Schumacher’s footsteps, and is slightly ahead in world championship titles against Schumacher of the same age or experience. Vettel’s first stint at the corporate Red Bull teams (including STR) can be compared to Schumacher’s stint at corporate Benetton. Both were wildly successful in that portion of their career, though Vettel racked up more titles and without being involved in scandals, like the ones that beset Benetton and Schumacher in 1994. Then Schumacher moved to then chaotic Ferrari team and spent five years without winning a world title, though he came close during that time. Vettel seems to be at a similar second stage of his career.

13. Just for numerical comparisions, how many points would Schumacher and Hamilton have scored in their careers if the current system had always been used?

    I think it would give a strong base to exemplify Schumacher’s massive haul of points/results through a very very long time.

    • Schumacher with this points system in total got 3890.

      Hamilton is on 1957 currently I think.

      • 12.63 and 12.71 points per race respectively

14. “he can maybe go on to challenge Michael’s record. There is a long, long way to go but it is possible” – Nige

    Look at what Nigel said, he used “maybe” and “long, long way to go” and “possible”. He didn’t say “beat, but it’s possible he may challenge. And in the article I read, it was clear that Nigel was referring to Michael’s 7 championships, so Nigel meant that Lewis might possibly win 5 more. Challenge doesn’t necessarily mean beat. If Lewis even gets to 5 championships, then the media will go crazy and talk about Lewis challenging Michael’s record. That’s all it means.

15. I think both Vettel and Hamilton are young and successful enough to match Schumacher’s records, but Vettel has a slight age advantage over Hamilton, while Hamilton has a car advantage at the moment. We’ll wait and see.

    • Even as a Hamilton supporter, I think you’re spot on.

16. It would take many elements put together for Hamilton to really challenge for Schumacher’s records.

    First of all, he would need to be absolutely focused on racing for the next 5 years straight with no distractions : Hamilton being Hamilton, this is highly unlikely.
    Then he would need to have a car that is always challenging for the title, with the current Mercedes that is possible but we know that rules change every few years just to ensure no team steam-rolls the others for sustained periods. On that front Hamilton does have an advantage for now and seems to be able to use it.
    Lastly he would need to stay fit enough so that he is still in strong shape for the next 5 years, at least. Perhaps this can be bracketed alongside the focus part, but it remains to be seen what Hamilton decides to do after he gets a third title of WDC.

    He can definitely beat those records, but I would say Vettel is better positioned to achieve that.

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