Horner completely trashes Wolff’s name, ahead of season opener

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Mercedes AMG F1 versus Red Bull Racing, the gloves are most certainly off as Red Bull team manager Christian Horner trashes Toto Wolff and his reputation in a shocking inditement on a personal level.

It’s no secret that Christian Horner and Toto Wolff are not the best of friends. And clearly, their relationship is not about to get any better.

For several seasons now, Red Bull and Mercedes have been engaged in a fierce battle. The two teams have shared all the titles since 2010. A situation that has created enormous tensions between the two teams, and their bosses are the perfect illustration of this. Christian Horner and Toto Wolff regularly argue in the media, culminating in last season’s battle for the title between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen.

The two men are clearly not ready to make peace, as Christian Horner’s new outburst shows.

 

 

“I don’t live in tax exile Monaco, managing a team from a distance”

“We are very different on this side. If I’m not on the circuit, I’m at the factory. I don’t live in tax exile Monaco, running a team from a distance. I am practical,” begins Horner,

 

“My diary is full from the moment I arrive to the moment I leave, dealing with issues within the team. And I have an open door policy at the factory. I grew up in this sport. I was a racing driver who turned to managing a team. I am a racer at heart.

“Toto comes from a very different background. He has a financial background and is very motivated by what the balance sheet says. The results dictate that performance. Does he share the same passion as a competitor like me or others? I have no idea.

“Will he be here in 10 years or will he have cashed in his dividends and be on his super yacht? I have no idea, but I’m leaning towards the second option,” said the Red Bull boss in a statement reported by Nextgen-auto.com

 

 

137 responses to “Horner completely trashes Wolff’s name, ahead of season opener”

  1. But does Toto officially reside in Monaco or only have a resting place there with the official residence in England? Weird trashing, though.

    • C H claims he is a racer and competitor at heart but in reality he’s the opposite he is rather a cheater in heart

      • How is Toto a cheater, it’s easy to say stupid things but then how do you back it up. Toto is not a man for cheating, that would be Horner. Look at what he did after Silverstone where Max was a victim of his own stubbornness. Horner was straight on the blower trying to get Lewis disqualified knowing full well Max was just as guilty. he and Masi are old mates and he played on that constantly, never more so when after Max being beaten out of site in Abu Dhabi. he convinced Masi after much bullying to allow a final green lap which only suited one driver, Max. Horner knew exactly what he was doing, if you can’t win the title fairly then lets steal it and use your old mate to do it. Why only un-lap cars between Lewis and Max, because if all the cars un-lapped Max wouldn’t have won. Listen to all the drivers, saying ‘this is crazy’, ‘this is so weird’, that’s because it was a blatant breach of the rules no one understood it but Horner didn’t care as long as he won because he could never win the proper way. Horner is a disgrace to F1 and only you Lewis hating Max fans cannot see it.

  2. If you watch the Netflix series on F1, Horner comes across as a nasty poisonous little man with a very unhealthy obsession with Hamilton. He is a short man with a Napoleon complex while Toto is tall, very successful and anyone who thinks he is not dedicated to Mercedes has no idea. So Horner’s remarks come from envy I think, Toto’s team have dominated F1 for years with Horner always behind and the only way he could win is by cheating which despite Horner deflecting hasn’t fooled anybody. He has a chip on his shoulder the size of Gibraltar and Toto may have a place in Monaco but so has most of the drivers including Horner’s own driver Max.

    • Article mentioned passion and if Toto has the same passion with Mercedes as he had with Williams he will not stay forever.

      Toto took over a well running from Ross Brawn, and so far he was able to keep it running. Nobody knows how he will react will things get though, as the saying goes every captain can sail with good weather.

      • You really don’t like Toto do you? I remember MB under Ross Braun who was a fine manager but it is way better now than then. Red Bull won championships under Braun which would never have happened under Toto without help from Masi. Saying Toto doesn’t have any passion for Mercedes, have you ever watched him during a race it’s pure passion and has nothing to do with his 30% stake! Your comments are so ridiculous, ‘able to keep it running’, really, he is probably one of the most successful Team mangers of all time and please don’t say it’s because of the car.! ‘See how it goes when times get tough’, if you had any idea what you are talking about his job is always tough and it’s not just about winning races. You are clearly a Horner fan, who is a nasty piece of work, you buy what he says but with Horner everything has to be about him, he is a class 1 narcissist and as devious as they come. Toto is far better for F1 as he at least is honest.

          • Badgerman, Hedgehog, Duckey, does anyone see a trend here and they all write the same stuff. ‘I have no idea about F1’, really! Based on what or do you just write posts without thinking about it, like your other cronies. You lot could start a fight in a telephone box.
            Go on tell me, why do I have no idea about F1, I always like a laugh! 😂

          • Red Bull curiously managed correctly 5 or 6 Safety Car incidents during 2021.

            Naively, I attributed that to good race-day-event management.

            Now after the A’booo!-Dahbi revelations
            we know how they can
            successfully influenced
            the race stewards.

          • Are you serious!! There are always SC incidents but they didn’t decide the championship. If you are going to concede that nothing untoward happened and Abu Dhabi finished correctly then join the Duckey and other deluded Max fan club who know nothing about rules or facts.
            In Abu Dhabi, Lewis was winning by a mile then predictably Latifi crashed and cue Horner trying to get a result from nothing. When he finally convinced Masi to bring out the safety car which Masi still had to abide by the rules but Horner convinced him to break the rules twice. Had Masi used the SC and stuck to the rules Max would never have won but he didn’t Masi broke his own rules twice and has been fired for it but he still handed Max and Red Bull their title on a plate. Horner knows it and despite his blustering, it haunts him every day. If you want to win a title you want it honourably and Max didn’t get that and will go down in history as winning a title he didn’t deserve, so well done Horner and I would understand it if Max decked Horner, he deserves it.

          • Your comments show it’s you that has no idea? What you say is hilarious yet another f1 expert who’s only started watching probably the end of last season. Off to watch a bit more netflix to increase your knowledge are you?

          • Here we go again. If you’ve read any of my posts you would know that firstly I can back up what I claim and don’t need to watch Netflix. I started racing over 40 years ago in 100Nat karts and then single seaters, FFord, FFirst, F2000 and then cars like Caterhams, then Touring Cars and TVR’s. I’ve raced against Tiff Needell and Nigel Mansell to name a few. Also, my old neighbour was an ex F1 driver and the original Black Stig Perry McCarthy and through him I met many ex F1 drivers. I have friends that worked with me when I was racing that now work in F1, for Mercedes amongst others and tell me things you don’t read in papers. I’ve also done some laps in an F1 car so I know what I’m talking about. You are the average armchair racer that never goes near a racing car or probably never even been to a racing track. So next time you make a stupid comment, think first or you look a total idiot.

          • Yes, I know Duckey but that isn’t a spelling mistake like so many of your posts. I copied it from a previous post until I looked it up myself as it didn’t seem right and have posted the correct spelling since. I can change that but you can’t change being a moron so carry on making a dick of yourself 😂

          • If nagging on typo’s is ‘making a dick of yourself’ than I learned it from the king of nagging on typo’s himself. Tnx Steve!

        • Steve, I don’t know what you know about F1, as others allude to, not do I really care. You’re a fan and that’s all that matters ultimately. I find most of your posts entertaining but just want to call attention to a few things.

          Ross Brawn never ran Red Bull, he was at Benetton and Ferrari with Michael Schumacher. After a sabbatical he returned with Honda then bought the team naming it Brawn GP which morphed into Mercedes.

          In a later post you mention that Latifi crashed ‘predictably’. Now whilst I’d never suggest he’s a leading driver, he is not in the Taki Inoue mould either. I cannot remember but if the 5 or 6 SC last year, was he responsible for any of them?

          If he had crashed 5 laps earlier, RBR would still have changed tyres, they had nothing to lose, so the release of cars would have been fulfilled and the result would have remained the same because Mercedes have become so used to success they’ve developed a fail safe response to race strategy.

          Interesting to me also, how many times has Lewis’s Tyre whispering ability allowed him to ignore the Mercedes team strategy and win a race that they may well have lost yet no journalist ever calls that out either…

          • Thank you for your post Carlo, it is an interesting one and thankfully about racing, following the trolling I get from this site for just defending the rubbish posted about Hamilton, it’s good to get a post like yours.
            You are correct about Brawn, he was supposed to join Red Bull in 2007 to attract Alonso but went to Honda instead which I’m sure you know. I was replying to a post where they stated that Toto took over a great Williams team from Brawn and therefore had little to do. I do know that the Williams were not in great shape but Toto made a big difference before moving on to Mercedes but didn’t stop to think about Brawn.
            As for Latifi, anyone in F1 is a great driver but he does get caught up in a lot of back of the grid scraps and has had his fair share of incidents, when there is a crash at the back he is nearly always there. It’s like my wife, she doesn’t crash often but she does see a lot of crashes. I was also trying to be kind and to imply he didn’t crash deliberately as I know he just made a mistake and didn’t deserve the threats he got.
            I do disagree with your last comment though. If Latifi had crashed earlier, I think Lewis would have come in for a tyre change. When I was racing, if it was near the end of the race I would stay out to preserve my position as anyone coming in for tyres would be too far back to worry me. With ten laps to go, I would come in as with new tyres I would be confident of catching drivers on old tyres. What happened with Lewis was disgraceful and shamed F1. Horner brought Max in and then badgered Masi to allow a last lap knowing full well it suited only one driver Max. He and Masi are old mates and seeing Masi cave was one thing but only un-lapping cars between Max and Lewis made all the other drivers wonder what the hell was going on. It was the worst decision in F1 history and got Masi fired but a large portion of the blame goes to Horner, If he couldn’t win the title fairly then lets steal it. I can’t believe he and Max parade around like nothing happened.
            Anyway, keep those useful posts coming. You get some good posts on this site but some pretty awful ones too but it gives me something to do.

        • Toto bought himself into Williams to get his wife a spot as a development driver and left the team quite easily for MB. As for being a good team boss, MB went from regular 1-2 with Hamilton and Rosberg (in any order) couple of years back to no 1-2 this year, which can be completely credited to Bottas, who IMO has been kept at MB for 1 season too long (and is also managed by Toto). And if you see how the team worked on their anniversary race in Germany (Netflix did not dramatize that one, it was really that bad) I would currently not put him under successful managers (I guess he still has to learn).

          • Firstly his wife was a great and successful driver before she joined Williams and comes from a racing family, his reasons for using her was good management not nepotism. If you ever heard her talk which I’m sure you have on Netflix you would know she is a great addition to any team. Unlike Horner’s wife who is dangerous behind the wheel and knows sod all about racing. Rosberg was never a great team player as like Max would try and knock his team mate off the track rather than let the team win. Remember Rosberg turning into Lewis and denying it but the cameras proved he did just that, like Max saying he didn’t brake test Lewis but was caught lying. Bottas is a great driver but a true team player and the only bad thing I would say about Toto is I think he followed orders which allowed Rosberg to win a title and then retire, the whole thing stank as much as Max winning this year, Lewis had to sign an NDA but it’s pretty obvious how Lewis feels as when Rosberg tries to interview him he walks right past, hopefully the truth will come out as Rosberg is no more a proper champion than Max is.
            You BadgersArse and Dickey are all from the same club and probably Dutch and write similar stuff, the same deluded drivel that all SuperMax fans living in the same bubble do. Toto is the most successful F1 team manager ever whereas Horner is like a little terrier barking at his heels. Maybe this season Horner and Max can win something fairly but I sincerely doubt it.

    • Horner is a entitled pommy dickhead…also he says hes a racer at heart ….bullshit hes got a massive chip on his shoulder..comes across as a spoilt little prick

    • If you read on TJ13 website comments section, Steve Callahan comes across as a nasty poisonous little man with a very unhealthy obsession with anything and anyone involved with Red Bull. Callahan is a short man with a Napoleon complex…

      Self projecting much huh callahan????

      • Not you again, I remember you, you’re the one with the intelligence of a ham sandwich and also has a very large Hamilton shaped chip on his shoulder. So naturally you attack my posts even though I speak the truth which you can’t handle. Also, I’m 6’4″ with a lovely wife who thinks people like should get a life and stop trolling Hamilton and then I wouldn’t have to post so much.
        Anyone with a title like yours is clearly a moron so I’ll use small words. It’s really quite simple. I’m a racing fan not a Lewis fan although I admire him as a person and a driver. When people like you write absolute rubbish about him just because you hate him, I defend it. I’ve forty years in racing have friends in F1 so I hear things and what I hear about Lewis is good. Lewis is not a cry baby or a bad loser, can you imagine Max’s behaviour had it have been him that was robbed, he would probably held his breath until they re-ran the race. As you can tell I’m not a great fan of Max, he is a brilliant driver yes but hard to like as he is arrogant, petulant and often put’s other drivers lives at risk with his dangerous driving. Maybe you can find someone to write your posts as you just make yourself look an idiot.

        • >Lewis is not a cry baby or a bad loser

          Dude, it’s fine to have a preference or outright love a driver but you can’t just say this when the world has evidence enough that he is both.
          Hamfosi like you fail to see that Lewis is also just human like the rest of us. And humans are flawed.

          • I agree all people are flawed and Hamilton is no different, he has his faults but being a cry baby or bad loser is not one of them. Where do you people get that from? I know people who are close to Lewis and a cry baby he definitely isn’t. After being robbed of his eighth title he took a step back and decided any post would be murdered and taken out of context so he said nothing. He withdrew from the media and said nothing which threw the Lewis haters into a frenzy and accused him of all sorts of things, cry baby, bad loser you name it yet he still said nothing. His actions on the podium at Abu Dhabi given what happened was stoic and gracious and like a true champion and then he wanted time on his own, what is wrong with that? Contrast that with Max who has thrown one strop after another and excelled himself in Jeddah storming off the podium in a massive sulk after being caught lying his arse off.
            Lewis is the true and rightful champion and Max is a wannabe wearing shoes that are way too big for him, they are the facts so suck it up.

          • @Steve, Well, for one, f1 didn’t just start last season and neither did lewis. his media blackout was completely justified. (I do hate that he didn’t address his TeamLH to stop with the death threats to latifi) But his cry baby image isn’t from that last race. He has every right to feel wronged there.
            Bad loser etc comes mainly from 2016, where he accused merc of sabotaging him(multiple times). Or from his radios where he literally cries anytime something doesn’t go his way. And has been doing this since 07.
            Btw I think max is just as big of a douche. So I don’t see why I should need to “suck it up”…

          • What do you even know of this from your armchair? I have friends who work for Mercedes and know far more than you. It doesn’t take an intelligent person to figure how Rosberg who had never beaten Lewis once could suddenly find himself in a winning position. Being German and Germany having not had a champion since Vettel how they may want to change that. Then how Lewis’s car constantly having issues whilst Rosberg’s car was fine. Then when the car’s were fine Rosberg tried to ram Lewis off the track, Schumacher style and got penalised for it but got let off lightly. I know that Lewis was made to sign an NDA as he really wanted to speak about what was going on and then surprise surprise Rosberg quit, who does that, after winning the title and then retires at such a young age, it stank as much as Abu Dhabi but Lewis was forbidden to talk about it but it will come out one day and that poor excuse for a champion will be shown up for what he is, Remember when Rosberg as a presenter tried to interview Lewis and he just walked right past him, that said it all.
            How do you know Lewis didn’t address his team as I know for a fact he did and said he needed time to himself, he doesn’t have the arrogance of Max. As for Latifi, I feel bad about that as he was not at fault he is just a crap driver and didn’t do it deliberately and I know Lewis would have respected that and the death threats were bang out of order but how do you know Lewis didn’t call him as that is what I would have expected him to do, unlike Max who doesn’t give a toss.

          • Well Steve, hou may have friends who works at MB. I have contacts with the Verstappens. I’ve spoken with Max and Jos personaly multiple times.

            But we’re talking About other things then Lewis, Toto or mb.

            What does you’re friend at MB do?

          • I don’t believe that for a minute. If you know Jos, what car does he drive. I know that from my friends on the grid so lets hear it, I believe like all your mates you are full of it.
            I’ve two friends at MB one in Personnel and PR and one in Engineering. Who is it you know, what are there names and what do they do.
            If you are going to bluff at least know what you are talking about it. My friends at MB have known me for years from my racing days. How do you know your imagined friends?

          • @steve so you’re the only one who has friends that work at merc? Why do you naturally assume that of the 1000+ people working there you’re the only one who knows some of them? Why do you assume that because you know two of them that everyone there thinks the same? As a matter of fact all MY friends at merc think he is a stuck up guy who acts like the rest at merc are peasants. they feel like his plastic image is fitting. they can’t believe that someone from so “humble backgrounds” acts like that to regular work folk. And that someone like rosberg who is what you’d call silver-spoon fed, is such a nice person in comparison. They can’t wait for him to retire!

            And as for latifi, my point still stands. If Lewis called him or not. He is well aware that the death threats are made by his teamLH on social media, yet he never addressed them to stop. for a so called activist that’s pretty lame don’t you think? can’t even inflict change on his own fans. or does he not dare/care? afraid he’ll lose some fans by doing the right thing? or not caring enough because he isn’t on the receiving end? Talk is cheap.

          • I’ve come across you before and you are every bit as deluded as your other Lewis hating mates. Difference is my friends are real and a couple who worked closely with me when I was racing are in the Lewis close circle which makes your comments the bollocks it is. It’s only trolls like you that paint Lewis as the bad guy, people that work with Lewis know him to be a kind a generous guy and no one at Mercedes hates him, otherwise they wouldn’t be there. I can also tell you that like me, Lewis didn’t agree with the death threats against Latifi, he made a mistake but people do speculate and how do you know Lewis didn’t speak to him, you are the one assuming as knowing what I do about Lewis he would have done. Max on the other hand is a cold fish and doesn’t give a toss about anyone. This is a guy that took out his own team mate twice as he wouldn’t give quarter but then that’s Max’s signature isn’t it. I’m not moving and if you don’t we will crash which is why he crashes so often, hence Crashstappen. Horner said about Russell after he crashed into Bottas that a driver that pushes and doesn’t give in and crashes is not a team player, yet that describes Max completely. the drivers on the grid don’t trust him as he takes a line that isn’t there and expects drivers to move out of the way when he never would. Silverstone could have been avoided had he not tried to cut Lewis off, in Italy he tried overtaking in a chicane when Lewis had the line and then blamed Lewis for not giving him room, is this idiot for real! He is dangerous and will continue other drivers until someone reminds him that he isn’t karting any more and then maybe he will take responsibility for his actions and stop blaming everyone else. You talk about someone that doesn’t care then check your own camp first!

          • @steve now I know you’re full of shit. first of all, you never came across me. This is the first time I stumbled on this site… Heck the comment on you was my first comment here. Second of all, if you really think that in a workplace of 1000+ people everyone loves everyone you’re delusional. I prefer to believe my friends who work there over some internet weirdo that claims to know a lot of people. And finally if you’re going to argue with me at least take the time to read what I say and preferably understand it too. I’ll say it once again, I think it’s a disgrace that Hamilton did not address his fans(those who made the dead threads in the first place) He did not make an instagram post, he did not tweet, he didnt even speak to the press to ask them to stop. I’ll repeat it: I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT LEWIS TALKING TO LATIFI, I’M TALKING ABOUT LEWIS TALKING TO HIS FANS!!!

            I hope you understand now? FANS DO BAD, LEWIS NO TALK FANS

            Also, you’re assuming I’m a max fan for some reason? I’m not. what is it these days… are there only two drivers left? Or are you automatically a max fan if you are a bit critical of lewis?

            And how come being critical about lewis equals troll but being critical of max equals connoisseur like you? Don’t you see the irony in that? Both are open to a fair bit of criticism if you ask me.

          • It’s people like you that is the reason, I’m taking a step back from this site. I’ve made my final post to Duckey who has been abusing me for many weeks simply because I say things about Max and defend Hamilton, you should read it as it says more about me and you clearly don’t know me at all.
            What is Dude? In my business days I went to America hundreds of times and no one ever called me Dude, what are you 12! In answer to your last rant, I know people at MB and I also know people in LH inner circle and know far more about him than you ever will. I’m guessing you are young and German. Well I’m old and after many years where I made my fortune in Software and Engineering where I travelled all over the world, I’m now happily retired with my beautiful wife where I indulge my interests which include cars and flying but I don’t race any more. With the money I earned I was able to indulge my passion for racing and from 100NAT karts as a kid I went through single seaters, then cars like Caterham’s and finally Touring cars where I raced with people like Tiff Needell and Nigel Mansell. In that time I made many friends in racing and know a few ex F1 drivers as well as people who work in F1. My knowledge of Lewis is he is nothing like the person you describe, he does come from humble beginnings but gives back and is not at all aloof or superior, he is a people person and people he works with all love him. I also know he rarely goes to the factory and he is a shy person so his shyness may be construed as aloof but that is not him at all. Also, you complain that he didn’t post after Abu Dhabi well he did that deliberately. He chose to withdraw from social media totally as well as commenting in the press which given the situation was very wise given any post would have been attacked. So you can attack him for not updating his fans but he chose to stay silent and I agree with the reasons why which seem beyond your understanding.
            You accuse me of not reading your post but it’s you not reading mine and I don’t need Caps lock as I may be old but there is nothing wrong with my eyesight. Also, in my experience on this site people that attack Hamilton are always Max fans and not racing fans but if you aren’t I apologise but you certainly seem to have issues with Hamilton which from what I see are totally unfounded. My wife is a very intelligent lady and hates me posting on this site and since the trolling has got worse she has convinced me I don’t need it. I live a wonderful life and joined this site because I hoped to contribute with things I hear that racings fans would find interesting and I have time on my hands but I found myself contesting the many attacks on Lewis that were utter nonsense and nothing to do with racing just hatred of Lewis. This made me a target and that is something I don’t need, I’m an intelligent and very experienced man not just in racing but life in general and fed up having to justify myself to people that couldn’t open an envelope.

          • @steve, well, you’ll be happy to fing out that a) I am not German (don’t know why you think that) and b) I am not young, at all. And perhaps c) that I too am in the field of software and engineering. So let me assure you, I can open an envelope.

            However, it seems you have once again misunderstood me. Even with the caps lock. Yes, Lewis has a media black out. And like I said before I completely understand that. But he has been posting online again. Most famously his Instagram post titled I’m back. So is it fair to say that him to responding with a firm cut it out to his fans after that point is a let down for a love activist like him? I sure think so.

            You do realise people(by that I mean the so called teamLH nutcases) are still attacking latifi on every thing he says online?

            It’s also funny to me that for some reason I’m attacking you while I don’t know you, but you’re doing the exact same thing and are OK with that…

            As for my Lewis “hate” the problem for Lewis fans is that every tiny bit of criticism is either the person saying it is hating on their idol, or(more frequently) racism. For some reason you’re allowed to criticise every single driver in the most harsh way, except for Lewis. That automatically makes you a racist.

            Like in my first message, I find drivers to be humans just as much as we two are. Which makes them flawed. One of lewis’ biggest flaws is his hypocrisy. Which I point out. As if my right to do so. If my colleagues are hypocrites I point that out too. If I’m being hypocritical people are allowed to point that out too.

            As for your wife, kudos to you. It’s good to have a companion. But I don’t know why that’s relevant here? I’m not telling you about my wife either? I come to sites like this to talk about f1.

            As for your hobbies of racing, just like knowing people at mercedes you once again assume you’re the only one on this whole site who has done it, for some reason? And you use that for your so called connections… Well, I can tell you that while I did not race beyond karting, I did spend a big part of my life in various paddocks as a mechanic. Something I gave up to go in to Software in a much later stage in my life because let’s face it, that’s where the money is. But being in paddocks throughout the various stages of motorsport certainly means I also know some people. And those people know some other people too.

            Sincerely,
            your friend, who most definitely can open an envelope,
            Exocet.

        • Top man, Steve Callahan, all your posts and responses are succinct and objective, unlike the barely literate Lewis haters that base their opinions on emotion, rather than fact. You have summed the final race of last season exactly as I saw it. Max has the potential to be a great champion but is dangerous, egotistical and determined to win at “any” cost, evidenced several times last season at least. If the car was the only factor in Lewis’s success over the last 15 years, then you would expect MB to finish 1,2, a lot more consistently than they have. We see a fairly well matched completion between Max and Lewis, with their team partners finishing several places back on a huge number of occasions. Personally, I’d engage in debate with polite detractors from your point of view but I wouldn’t give the moronic trolls the attention they so need, in order to feel justified in their clearly, jaundiced views of the world’s best F1 driver, bar none.

          • Thank you, I’ve decided to hang up my keyboard for a while as it distresses my wife when trolls like Duckey, Bunch of Funk (what an idiot!), Badgerman to name a few, just write nasty offensive posts because I don’t agree that Max is great and deserved to be handed the title on a plate. I’m competitive and write back which just makes it worse, so I’m going to leave the Internet alone for a while and enjoy the things I like doling.
            You make a lot of sense and totally agree and when I watch Horner and Max with their sense of entitlement parading around like they deserved it fair and square it makes my blood boil. Hopefully this season Lewis will show Max how a real champion behaves. Max is so dangerous and there is nothing wrong with giving no quarter but Max would rather crash than give way, aka Silverstone last season which could have been avoided. He won’t change and will seriously hurt someone one day which is why the other drivers don’t trust him and note whenever he crashes it’s always the other drivers fault never his. When he took out Lewis in Italy and ended up on top of his car and without the Halo Lewis would have died but was Max sorry, no he blamed Lewis for not giving him room in a chicane!! Firstly it was Lewis who had the line Max just barged in and expected Lewis to give way and then blamed him when he didn’t, someone should take this idiot aside and explain he isn’t karting any more.
            Anyway, I’m looking forward to this season and will be at Silverstone, my old company has Hospitality there, so my wife drinks champagne while I watch the race. This post will probably be attacked too, usually by Duckey who never counters an opinion just insults it. He isn’t the sharpest tool in the box but sadly thinks he is so don’t get involved with him or the others as even when he knows his wrong he will never admit it. Good luck and hopefully we can post again.

    • Well Steve i’ve watch the series, i’m realy curious at the parts where you find him a nasty poisonous little man?? i’ve seen a teamprincipal that whants to win. Same as Mattia Binotto of Brown.
      It’s not envy it’s the drive to beat the rest. And yes of course the remarks are aimed at Wolf because he is sitting on top of the monkey rock (freely translated). Would it be the otherway around Wolf would act in the same mather.
      They are no saints. non of them.

      And you keep saying that RB is cheating and that’s why they could win. When you take a neutral pair of glasess and look at last season, where??? All off the teams are looking at eachother and try to find things witch would help them to beat the others. Do you realy think that 9 teams would accept that someone is cheating? Its quite naive of you.
      And stop with the argument off the last 5 laps of the season. i want examples of cheating throughout 2021 where RB had cheaten and won a race.

      • I did watch the series and Horner did not come out at all well. you want an example well how about when Hamilton was speaking and Horner went into a rant, ‘Why doesn’t he just shut the f**k up’ among others. It’s pretty clear Horner has a nasty obsession with Hamilton and given that Hamilton has driven a truck through all Horner’s plans you can understand it but his reactions are more than inappropriate.
        Toto didn’t just arrive as top dog, he took a decent team from Ross Brawn and made it the most successful team ever and he did by pure hard work and racing knowledge. You cannot compare Horner and Toto as they are as different as can be possible. Toto is an intelligent and well mannered man and Horner is like some rabid terrier yapping at his heels.
        You want me to tell you how he cheated, did you watch Abu Dhabi! Contrary to the fiction that Horner puts out, what really happened was that Max was getting his backside handed to him with Hamilton a country mile in front. Then Latifi as usual forgot what his steering wheel was for and crashed. Horner sensed an opportunity and although the safety wasn’t forthcoming as a race stop would have been the right decision, Horner bullied Masi into bringing out the safety car. Toto sensing something not right queried it and rightly so, the race should have been stopped but then both Lewis and Max could change tyres and Max had no chance. Then with Lewis staying out as any experience driver would to preserve their position Horner played the do the opposite of Lewis card and brought Max in and say ‘we need a miracle’. With Max on new tyres, Horner then bullied Masi again saying we needed a green lap, why? It only suited red Bull on new tyres but after much bullying from Horner and then a very creepy call from Wheatley which made it look like Masi was under orders he caved and only un-lapped cars between Lewis and Max. The whole thing stunk to high heaven and even today Horner is trying to make everyone forget it but it haunts him daily and if I was max and won my first title that way i would punch him in the face. Silverstone was another example of Horner’s dirty tricks and he has done many and sets a really poor example and only Red Bull fans don’t see him for the nasty piece of work he is. Also, what is cheaten, your spelling is as bad as Duckey’s is.

        • indeed my spelling is bad. This isn’t my native language. the matter a fact, i’m bad at spelling in my native language (dyslexia) so sorry for that. but if thats an argument to dismiss some one thats so very lame.

          I’ve asked for other examples! What was the dirty trick in Silverstone?? That Max eliminated himself? And specificaly writen not the 5 last laps of 20221. Maybe i didn’t spelled it the right way?

          And on the subject of the unlapping of the cars. The safetycar rules stated that any cars can be unlaped if possible. There is no mention of “ALL” cars. But lets agree to disagree. I personaly thinks that the last raceresult has to be taken out of the score of last season. Then all arguments of cheating are disolved.

          And on the subject of “bashing”a driver. I rember a scene where MB employees are rejoycing on the crash in silverstone. once a gain. They are all no saints.

          And youre view on Toto being a gentleman?? If you’re a gentleman, you dont brake stuff out of anger. And yes he is on top now, but as i said before if it is Toto who is chasing for the top of the monkeyrock. As we say, i wouldn’t place my hand in the fire for him. Not one of them is in the place where he is because of being nice….

          • It is sad and despite your spelling which is awful you seem like an intelligent guy yet let your bias get the better of you, I’m guessing you are Dutch and see all things orange. I’ve told Duckey, I speak three other languages and still manage to spell okay. In fact I sent a reply back to Duckey in French which had no spelling mistakes.
            Silverstone was a typical Horner dirty trick. Hamilton was wrong with his line in that corner forcing Max wide and was penalised for it but Max being the pig headed idiot he is, kept his line forcing an inevitable crash, which ended up him coming off worse. Then cue Horner rushing Max to Hospital even though he didn’t need it and claiming he was on death’s door and calling for Lewis to be disqualified, Luckily, stewards aren’t idiots and just kept Hamilton’s penalty but Marko and Horner kept on with Hamilton nearly killed Max. The true fact is that had Max had the sense like Leclerc and gone wide the whole accident could have been avoided but Max doesn’t give quarter and decided he would rather crash than give in which is why he will never be champion without help. Racing is an endurance not a sprint, quote Hamilton, had Max given Lewis room like Leclerc he could have continued and got his place back later but Max likes crashing, hence Crashstappen and expect more crashing this season.
            Where do you get your facts from and why do you think Masi was sacked! The rules are quite clear and if you decided to un-lap cars you un-lap all of them, Masi just un-lapped the cars between Lewis and Max as if he didn’t Max wouldn’t have won. Does that not tell you anything if you have a brain in your head! The whole thing stank and as most racing fans know the rules and saw what went on, Masi looked like he was on the Red Bull payroll and had to go and the only team to complain was Red Bull, what a surprise.
            You are really going back to Toto breaking his headset, don’t you people come up with anything new! I would rather Toto take his frustration out on his equipment than post vile nasty posts like Horner. Toto is a winner and Horner is a wannabe, last season didn’t change any of that and expect more vile rantings from Horner and Toto rising above it.

          • Don’t mind Steve.

            He is somewhat intellectual challenged.

            He never wrote a comment in french here and i think using google translate is a stretch of his digital capabilities.

            Season ’21 in Steve’s mind had only 4 races (the last 4) in which MB cheated against the spirit of the rules. Using his minion Bottas as a guinea pig they burned through dozens of engines just to find out when it works best. Then they used that on LH. The fines they got to prevent exactly this behaviour, mean nothing to MB. Is just pocket money and the gridplaces for bottas… they couldn’t care less.

          • You have a bloody cheek Ducky, you didn’t say that when I sent it to you as you knew very well it wasn’t from Translate as it shows up on the post and just shows what a sad little man you are, I can send you posts in French, Spanish and some in Italian that wont flag the Translate flag as it comes from me and you know it.
            Can you even hear yourself, using Bottas as an example and cheating against the spirit of the rules. What do you think Perez did holding Lewis up so Max could catch up or does that not count! It’s racing you moron, teams use what they have and yes, Mercedes changed engines but Lewis was shunted down the grid to 10th each time and still managed to win and left your boy grasping at straws. Your extraordinary bias towards Red Bull makes you look more ridiculous with every post, give it up and find something more useful to do like Dominos 😂

          • Steve you’re constant nagging About spelling is A signaal for me that you Dont have arguments about the subject so youre trying to take it of subject.
            And hou accuse me of wearing orange glasses. Well you’res are silvershadow ones.
            The differences beteren us are that i dont have the urge to speak badly of A person or A team. You havent read A bassing of Hamilton or toto or mb from me.
            And i think that the best way foward from this mess is to scrap the last race. Correcting what you think went wrong and we van stop al off this discussing those last laps.

            Ps. When i cant win a discussion at work i also try to take them on form (spelling as you like) and not on the subject.

    • Toto is a bully… If he doesn’t get his own way he bullies his way to get what he wants.. Horner doesn’t give a rats ass about toto’s reputation and is the perfect team leader in my book.. what happened in the race balanced out all the crap that Hamilton gets away with all the time.. an other bully in the track that if he doesn’t get his won way he goes down the non sporting root.. Hamilton should have given back that place at the start of the race and it was Hamilton who crashed into the back max at the race before because he didn’t want max to get the Drs on him.. don’t be blinded by the Hamilton charm.. he just doesn’t like the fact that max a brilliant driver👌

    • AGREE HORNER IS A SELF CENTERD DISGRACE AND CHEATER. HE JUST ADMITED HIS DISISSION NOT TO TAKE SIR HAMMELTON AS A DRIVER WHEN HE HAD A CHANCE TO DO SO, POINTS TO JELOUESY WHICH MAKE YOU NASTY. SO HE IS A NASTY MAN.

      • I agree, he loves the media and is as different from Toto as you get but behind the smiling façade, he is devious and hugely vindictive and hates Lewis and MB with every bone in his body. He would sell his own Mother to get one over on Toto. Mind you that’s not a great example as his Mother and the rest of his family are estranged from him which says a lot about where his priorities lie.
        Notice how many times we see his house in Netflix, it’s all about him. Whereas Toto, we see his motorhome and a rented house in England, yet Horner would have you believe he lives entirely in Monaco, what a muppet. Also, Toto’s wife is an ex-driver and works for MB and was relevant to the program, what has Geri Horner got to do with racing?

  3. I was a rb and max supporter for a few years changed 2 years ago horner nothing but aggro to others think he has now got a complex

        • I’m going away for a couple of weeks but I asked if you could find a post I made in French to Duckey some weeks back. Can you please find it for me, it would be good to see it posted when I get back. Duckey doesn’t trust anyone but I’m not a liar so please prove that for me. Thanks

  4. These quotes are taken from the netflix series and were probably made and recorded while the ‘21 season reached it’s boilingpoint. Publishing them now, completely out of seasoncontext, gives a wrong and onesided impression. Toto and Horner are fought their own battle on behalf of their team. Nothing wrong with that.

    • Whether it be last December or now, it’s over the top, unnecessary, very undignified and immature.

      • True. But Toto made the same kind of remarks. It was a back and forth. And don’t forget the pressure and tension of the situation they were both in. Highlighting one of them gives a wrong image. Horner is devil nor angel, neither is Toto. Both are human. I won’t be suprised if future articles will come with the ‘reaction’ of Toto. Just to keep the clicks going.

        • You only defend him Duckey as you are Dutch and a huge Max fan and wear Orange tinted glasses. Did you even watch the series, I doubt it. Toto never made any kind of those remarks that is not like him, he doesn’t like Horner that is clear but other than you lot who does? Toto is from a different background and carries himself in a dignified manner, anyone can see that. Horner is a different matter he came up the hard way and is very competitive but nasty with it. he absolutely hates Hamilton and MB as they have made his team look bad for years and the only way he could win was cheating and he knows it. Look at how many times they shot footage in his house, his wife spent more time in the series than his drivers did. Why his house, it’s because he is a classic narcissist and it all has to be about him, he couldn’t be more different to Toto if he tried. He made some hilarious comment about Toto spending time in his Monaco apartment while he is on the track yet he spent most of his time filming from his house, also most of the drivers have homes in Monaco including his driver Max. What a muppet!

          • Well… that did not last long, did it. Was it two days ago that you said you would start make things better? And here we are again. Swearing, name-calling, bragging …. Primary school level all over again. We’re back to square one. Ofc you, again, ignore all negatives about Wolf in the series. The way he ordered his breakfast in the restaurant… the shot where he’s eating breakfast with his family in his home. And your cheap shots about Horners wife?? Did you miss all those short ‘in between’-interviews with Susie Wolff (who is a lot more in the series than Horners wife)… If anyone has tinted glasses on, it’s you Steve.

          • What is wrong with you Duckey, you are the one that is supposed to reform not me. My wife hates this site and yes I had a great time in Dartmouth but I’m not letting you and your cronies run roughshod over this website. I asked you to make a choice which you have clearly ignored but as much as my wife would love me to leave this site, as long as I can type I’ll still counter you and your idiotic mates. Where in my post is swearing or bragging, are you seeing and imagining things now, you really need to keep taking your tablets.
            It is impossible talking to you as you never take those orange tinted glasses off.
            Firstly, Toto is nothing like Horner and has nothing to prove. His wife is an ex racer and in a racing documentary is relevant, she runs a racing team of her own. Secondly, where did I slate Geri, I’ve actually met her a few times and she is crazy, mad as a box of frogs but there is still something likeable about her. I went to an event she was at and she turned up in her Lamborghini and parked at the entrance and blocked it and caused chaos until she moved it. Horner, however isn’t likeable and Netflix showed a side to him that people don’t normally see and it wasn’t pleasant. Can you even stop and look at what you are defending, Toto took a team from Brawn who was a great manager and made it much better with the same budget given inflation. Horner came up the hard way and luckily had a sponsor that was happy to throw money at it but still years later he still couldn’t win, no wonder he hates Hamilton and Toto. He had to win his first title by Masi handing it to him on a plate which haunts him every day so he continues to strike out at MB. Take your orange glasses off and see things as we all do and then maybe your posts wont look quite so ridiculous.
            You continue to disappoint me Duckey, you defend the undefendable and refuse to see things as they are which isn’t healthy. As I said you appear to have no life, as for me I’m off out now with the wife and I wont say where as you will accuse me of bragging again.

          • Well Duckey, you have really excelled yourself as you are making up things now. I replied to you in French when you said that although your spelling is bad you speak more than one language. In my business days I travelled all over the world with BA and was a Gold class member and dealing with companies in Europe that all spoke many languages, particularly Switzerland. I learnt French, some German and some Italian. When we bought a villa in La Manga I also learnt to speak Spanish. I wrote a post to you in French when you called my bluff and now you are denying it, that is very sad and quite pathetic, particularly as you know if I used Translate it would show as I wrote it myself. I used to visit my in-laws place in Bergerac and visit the village where they spoke no English and used my French. In your stupidity, you forget that there are records of our posts and I could ask Judge to find it or check my own history which would show what a pathetic liar you are.
            This post may be longer as it’s my last. Lying comes easily to you as you have done it before just to make a point which is also sad, you are like Horner. Does getting one over on me mean that much to you that you will lie and deceive just to make a point! Like Horner you are a sad and vindictive little man and twist anything I say to make your point, is it worth that much to you? Your friend the Psychiatrist who we both know doesn’t exist but you still claim to have showed him my posts, who does that, that is just weird and you need help!
            You should hear yourself, ‘Take Lewis Knighthood away’, ‘Mercedes are just cheats’ and it goes on and on. What is the difference between Perez holding up Hamilton in the last race where you can hear Horner encouraging him to delay Lewis and Bottas being a team player. Your bitterness runs so deep that you pour poison on anything MB based, Your resentment can only come out as someone with no life, no friends nothing to live for other than trashing Lewis and MB on a regular basis.
            I have many friends and a couple are Max fans but unlike you they are reasonable professional people. When we discussed last season they both said they wanted Max to win but not like that and hoped he could do it properly this year. Now these are reasonable intelligent people not like your mates BadgersArse, Hedgehog etc.. who will insist nothing was wrong with Max’s win and he deserved it, while the rest of the world think otherwise.
            You claim I’m ‘intellectually challenged’ knowing full well I was a director of global companies for 25 years, giving me the money to indulge in my passion of racing and flying, yet you blurt it out anyway. When I compare a Bentley to a Ford Focus, you say you would rather have a Focus because of British reliability, haha! That really made me laugh especially as you will never have to make that choice. You stick with your Focus Duckey if it makes you happy and I’ll stick with my choices, when you buy expensive cars Duckey they home deliver and do catering.
            You have trolled me for months and questioned everything I have said and then when I prove it you accuse me of bragging, well you haven’t heard anything yet, if this is my last post I’m going down swinging. My wife is sick of you idiots and has finally convinced me that our life is better without you in it. I have a garage that is full of big cars and fast cars that you will never own Duckey. I’ll tell you a story from a few years ago when my wife and I went to the theatre in London, I was driving a new Range Rover and we came across a demonstration by the Tower of London. We had to slow down but the hate from the demonstrators scared my wife and then they started hitting my car, why? Because it was a nice car, I worked bloody hard to earn that car and yet they frightened my wife because they didn’t have one. That is you Duckey, your envy drives you to make the nasty posts you make, so why not instead of smashing your keyboard and go and make something of your life.
            Anyway, you’ve finally managed to convince me to take a step back from this site. I was hoping I could bring useful information from friends that I have to this site but trolls like you that attack anything that isn’t pro Max really don’t make it fun any more. You contest what I say and when I prove it you accuse me of bragging and I’m just tired of it. Before I go know this, the man you protect Horner is great when he is winning but a nasty bitter loser when he isn’t. Max is the same, he is dangerous and expects everyone to give way otherwise he will take them out which is why CrashStappen suits him. He has taken out his own team mates, just ask Ricardo. Is this really what we want as the future of F1? I think Max is in for a rude awakening this season and you lot will run out of expletives and excuses by the time the season ends and Max is whining and sulking every day. Get a life Duckey I’m out, I wonder which one of us Judge would have rather kept, the fanatic or the realist.

          • Steve you’re really the showcase of a fanatic. The only thruth is you’res! Ans if you realy have a neutral look at both Horner en Wolf you can’t say that Wolf is an example for every one and Horner isn’t. I’ve never seen Horner destroy equipment during the race. As did Wolf with smashing his headphone.
            So Steve, if you are the neutral F1 Fan you say you are, stop showcasing youself as a fanatic. Stop with you’re onesited view of the events, stop with the basshing and namecalling of others that don’t share you’re opinion.

          • Despite my better judgement, you come across as more neutral than most but I’ve been wrong before, I thought Duckey was reasonable but have since learnt different. Before I retired I relied on reading people and was pretty good at it but on these sites it’s much harder. Calling me a fanatic is a bit daft and a little extreme and would make my wife laugh. I just defend people that can’t defend themselves against the bitter hatred towards Hamilton and Toto. Having friends in the places they are I know more about what goes on behind the scenes than most, so when I see a post rubbishing Hamilton or Toto just through hate I defend it. As these posts come from the same place, they are normally as predictable as they are non-factual.
            There have been posts saying Toto doesn’t have the passion of Horner which is just plain stupid but at least Toto takes his passion out on his headset and not making vile and poisonous comments towards his opponents as Horner does.
            I’m not going to listen to someone that knows nothing about me other than my posts which if all can draw from them is I’m a fanatic then I feel sorry for you. Read the other posts, I get name bashing and name calling many times a day but I have a thick skin and believe in what I say. If you are going waste space on something that is not only one sided but totally uninformative then find something better to do.

    • Yes, quote is from the first episode. No idea when Hornet said it in the season. The Netflix crew will just have taken the spiciest quotes from their interviews, so it is not a balanced view.

      And you are right, what has been said in 2021 should not be dug up again. Wolff and Horner said they buried the hatchet, so what matters is what they say now.

  6. Signs of desperation. Totto is Totto and was created unique different from everyone else. That’s why there no DNA that matches his. So don’t expect him to think or act like you Mr Horner.

  7. This is getting really tiresome and the FIA need to think about Horner bringing the sport into disrepute. Thank goodness the new season starts but it better be put up or shut up as I’m getting tired of F1 now thanks to all this bitterness from RBull. You’d really think they lost last years title

  8. Is this negative speculation the best that you can write about just before the season? Very childish and attention seeking. Bring on the racing

  9. Christian Horner is the best , the cry baby is Toto and the win was fair and square. Hamilton and Toto behave like cry babies .

    • Not a Hamilton or Toto fan then. I’m guessing you are a Max fan, remember Jeddah and Max storming off the podium in a sulk and you call them cry babies 😂😂

    • I sense some confucion here. To clear the fog: Horner is British, Toto is Austrian, Max is Dutch, Hamilton is British. The only australian is Ricciardo. 🙂

      • thanks Duckey, I’m glad we have someone here who knows something about geography 🤣

          • True. Max has both Dutch and Belgium nationality. He races however under the dutch flag… so for F1, he’s dutch.

          • My reply was to the Judge…who was talking about geography. Geographically he is Belgian. Socialogically he is Dutch. Morally he is 2021 F1 runner-up. And, before you bite, that last comment is from a non-partizan point of view. Couldn’t care less which of him and Hamilton ended up as world champion – both were good enough over the season. Having said all that, Horner is a right twxt.

  12. Someone needs to write an article on Steve Callahan’s imaginary world he has built up in his own head and the potato on his shoulder about Abu Dhabi last year. Utterly clueless man

    • Bears now is it! So we have Hedgehog, Badgerman and Duckey, don’t you lot have any imagination! If you knew anything about me which you clearly don’t you would know that I don’t lie about anything. I had to prove myself to Duckey a few times as he was as doubtful as you which is just sad. Are you lot so desperate that you attack anything that doesn’t sing to your tune. Your title says it all really, do you lot have a brain cell between you. You are another loser just like your other mates.
      In future, as this is racing site, if you aren’t going to post anything about racing then take your frustration at being a loser on something else, try Dancing 😂😂

    • They have. It’s called a psychiatric report and it’s in a drawer somewhere. Not publicly available however. 😂

  13. I don’t think there is any confusion (note Duckey), I think everyone knows the nationalities of Hamilton, Toto and Max. I think when Darren, who is clearly Australian called Horner a ‘Pommie bastard’, which is the affectionate name for us Brits, it made some think Horner was Australian but sadly he is British and not one of our finest examples.
    it’s really not hard to see the Max and Red Bull fans on this site jumping to Horner’s defence when he really doesn’t deserve it. Comparing Horner to Toto is like comparing a Bentley to a Ford Focus with lots of dents in it 😂😂

  14. If you knew anything about me which you clearly don’t you would know that I don’t lie about anything. I had to prove myself to Duckey a few times as he was as doubtful as you which is just sad. Are you lot so desperate that you attack anything that doesn’t sing to your tune. Your title says it all really, do you lot have a brain cell between you.
    I’m happily retired and don’t like to talk about my private life unless I’m challenged which annoys my wife and wishes you lot would just get a life and stop needling me. This is supposed to be a racing site and you trolls who probably have no life and take their frustration out on their keyboard who has something you will never have. I’ve friends in F1 and I like to post things I hear which for true racing fans, which you are not, would like to hear. You are like those football Neanderthals that went to football matches only to ruin it.
    For the racing fans on this site, I’ve a friend who works at MB who tells me things now and again but she is strangely silent and wont comment on their status which makes me think they are either hiding something or they really do have issues. I tend to think it’s the former.
    In future, as this is racing site, if you aren’t going to post anything about racing then take your frustration at being a loser on something else, try Dancing 😂😂

  15. Haha Steve… your such a sad person. Now you ask mé where you swear? You dont even realize you do it, do you? Read your own reaction at ‘Bumch of funk’. ‘Moron’, ‘ham sandwich’… same old Steve all over again. No bragging you say? Try a search on any page where your longreads are (including this one), on keywords ‘6.4’, lovely wife’, ‘friends’, ‘I know’ …it’s a returning theme. And probably normal for a psychological challenged person as you are.

    I saw someone use the term Napoleon complex somewhere on the site. Very fitting. And exactly what the professional clinical psychiatrist friend i don’t have, said 😀

    And about that ‘defending people that can’t defend themselves’ idea … Any really intelligent person could reason that I do exactly that, when you attack Horner and RB. So … Steve. Now i’ve spelled it out for you maybe you understand that your argument is totally ridiculous. Alas I can only explain it to you, i can’t understand fór you.

    • Do you know what Duckey, your Psychiatrist friend that exists in your imagination only would have a field day with you, where do I even start! I’m a sad person, really! I’m happily retired living in a lovely place with a beautiful wife and enjoy a very happy retirement. What part of that is sad? You however, don’t seem to have a job or a life and attack all things anti Max with your orange tinted glasses. What is about your life that doesn’t scream sad? I have many friends and we debate all things from politics, football and F1 etc.., they are all intelligent people and don’t have massive hang ups about Hamilton or MB and it is fun. Whereas talking with you is like sticking your head out of the window at 120mph.
      How can someone who is 6’4″ have a Napoleon complex, it’s times like this that you look a complete idiot. I know you love Horner and will defend anything bad about him but he is not worth defending. Your last paragraph made me laugh out loud. You expect everyone to believe you defend Horner because he can’t defend himself! Come on Duckey, anyone who says anything bad about Max or Horner, you are on you keyboard like a shot because you have nothing better in your life to do, Horner wouldn’t thank you for it, he would walk all over you to get a decent place in Q3. Get a life Duckey, I have one and it is good but you come across as a very sad guy who defends someone that doesn’t give a toss about you and as daft as you are you deserve better.
      BTW Judge your site has a bug, the ‘Log in to use details…’ blocks content. if you need help, I have an interest in a couple of software companies.

      • Defending people that cant defend themselves is a quote from yourself Steve… You used it to explain why you keep defending LH. I believe we must add dementia to the list of your mental flaws.

        And if Horner is capable of defending himself, then why can’t LH or Toto? Why they need you?

        And of course you talk to all your friends in the psychiatric institution. Nobody doubts that. You also keep saying we don’t know anything of you but … my god…. the amount of personal details you keep dumping here to brag or fake importance … It does not make your opinions more credible.

        • Duckey, I’m sitting here with my wife who as I’ve said was a successful Barrister and is extremely good at reading people. One tell tale from you is that you don’t relate to now but something ages ago which is a classic defence mechanism. Both my parents have Dementia and I pay for their care. My Dad used to be a captain of industry but seeing him now where he can’t even tell the time is really hard for me. My mental state is fine and enough to see you are deflecting and instead of posting anything that is useful to this site just use your posts to abuse me.
          I don’t post many personal details but I made the mistake of releasing and trusting some to you which you continue to throw back at me. I’ve no reason to brag or talk about my life, this is a racing site and my wife is only happy that I post stuff about racing and much less about my life.
          If you really cannot see the difference between Toto and Horner then there is no point. Imagine a Bentley and a worn out Focus with dents and that should tell you all you need to know, I bet you also drive some Japanese car, tell me I’m wrong.

          • Haha. Steve. If I took your past post into account, I would not even know where to start. Responding on your latest rubbish is already hard enough. You state you did not say you defend people that cant defend themselves?? Read your own post to Dre’ on this very page : ‘“I just defend people that can’t defend themselves”. Your ówn words Steve.

            Talking about deflecting? Your the king in that. You never build on on an argument. Ignore whatever you can’t counter and only repeat the same old Hamfosi talk

            And you sending me a french reaction?? Haha. To what mailadres Steve? You dont have mine. And i did not see it here? Paste it here pls. I like a laugh too. Your imagination is really running away with you, isn’t it. That lovely wife you have is very likely the nurse that brings you your pills every evening.

            Oh and by the way… just another sample of your dilluded mind: “ I don’t post many personal details” is a quote from your latest reaction on me… in which you drop even more personal detaills, about your parents. So funny.

          • Oh one more thing… i’d prefer that Focus over a Bently. You probably don’t know what reputation British cars have in the rest of Europe. Try to find them in the reliability stats 😇

  16. The only reason Horner hasn’t got a property in Monaco is because his ginge wife would fry in the sun….

  17. For a guy who has a racing heritage, you let a guy from finance kick yours and your teams ass for 8 straight years … you should be really proud of your heritage … dumb ass

  18. I used to have a lot of time for Horner but wow he’s turning into such a nasty, bitter guy. It’s so pathetic to keep reading his obsessive and increasingly personal digs at anything Mercedes and especially Toto. And how impressive that they rise above his childish ways by not responding in kind. Also a bit silly to give the impression he gives so much to his team and Toto doesn’t when for the last 8 years or so they’ve mostly totally dominated him. Maybe you should step back a bit then as it’s obviously not helping much!

  21. Let’s analys this ‘last’ post of yours Steve. Your text in “quotes”, followed by my annotations:

    “Well Duckey, you have really excelled yourself as you are making up things now. I replied to you in French when you said that although your spelling is bad you speak more than one language.”

    You never did. Nor do you dare to copy it here. And nagging on spelling in comments, is really the lowest you can sink.

    “In my business days I travelled all over the world with BA and was a Gold class member and dealing with companies in Europe that all spoke many languages, particularly Switzerland.”

    Totally non relevant bragging.

    “I learnt French, some German and some Italian. ”

    Totally non-relevant bragging

    “When we bought a villa in La Manga I also learnt to speak Spanish. ”

    And again… irrelevant bragging

    “I wrote a post to you in French when you called my bluff and now you are denying it, that is very sad and quite pathetic, particularly as you know if I used Translate it would show as I wrote it myself.”

    Utter made up bullshit. You never wrote to me, you don’t even have my emailaddress. Your to chicken to do it here and google translate doest not flag text as translated when you copy/paste it… digital illiteracy to the max from a self proclaimed CIO.

    “I used to visit my in-laws place in Bergerac and visit the village where they spoke no English and used my French.”

    Did i mention irrelevant bragging already?

    “In your stupidity, you forget that there are records of our posts and I could ask Judge to find it or check my own history which would show what a pathetic liar you are.”

    Pls do! You can do it yourself too, it’s all there.

    “This post may be longer as it’s my last. ”

    Let’s hope so… your the biggest spammer here.

    “Lying comes easily to you as you have done it before just to make a point which is also sad, you are like Horner. Does getting one over on me mean that much to you that you will lie and deceive just to make a point!”

    My only point was my personal opinion in the very first post i ever made on this site. It was about LH and appearantly in your eyes, too critical. You attacked me immediately. You called me a moron and a prawn-sandwich and what more. Totally uncalled for and uncivilized. You backed it up with more and more outrageous claims and bragging. IT turned out to be a pattern since you do this to everybody critical on LH. Your God does not seem to be able to defend himself so his apostle Steve, jumps to the rescue

    “Like Horner you are a sad and vindictive little man and twist anything I say to make your point, is it worth that much to you? Your friend the Psychiatrist who we both know doesn’t exist but you still claim to have showed him my posts, who does that, that is just weird and you need help!”

    It takes one to know one i guess.

    “You should hear yourself, ‘Take Lewis Knighthood away’, ‘Mercedes are just cheats’ and it goes on and on. What is the difference between Perez holding up Hamilton in the last race where you can hear Horner encouraging him to delay Lewis and Bottas being a team player.

    You mean … as Bottas was told to hold up Max? Or used to end up before Max after a pitstop? … in multiple races? Can’t judge one and approve the other Steve.

    “Your bitterness runs so deep that you pour poison on anything MB based, Your resentment can only come out as someone with no life, no friends nothing to live for other than trashing Lewis and MB on a regular basis.

    Again… it takes one to know one 🙂

    “I have many friends and a couple are Max fans but unlike you they are reasonable professional people. When we discussed last season they both said they wanted Max to win but not like that and hoped he could do it properly this year. Now these are reasonable intelligent people not like your mates BadgersArse, Hedgehog etc.. who will insist nothing was wrong with Max’s win and he deserved it, while the rest of the world think otherwise.”

    Of course. Only you have friends. The right friends. And everybody else is wrong and bad and a moron.

    “You claim I’m ‘intellectually challenged’ knowing full well I was a director of global companies for 25 years, giving me the money to indulge in my passion of racing and flying, yet you blurt it out anyway.”

    Oops, you almost forgot to brag for 2 sentences. Good to know your a global director because … ??

    “When I compare a Bentley to a Ford Focus, you say you would rather have a Focus because of British reliability, haha! That really made me laugh especially as you will never have to make that choice. You stick with your Focus Duckey if it makes you happy and I’ll stick with my choices, when you buy expensive cars Duckey they home deliver and do catering.”

    Oh wow! Now everything you said must be true than!!

    “You have trolled me for months and questioned everything I have said and then when I prove it you accuse me of bragging, well you haven’t heard anything yet, if this is my last post I’m going down swinging. My wife is sick of you idiots and has finally convinced me that our life is better without you in it”

    Actually… i think she is sick of you spending so much time on this site and probably terrorizing your family when you receive some resistance of those ‘idiots’. Wich proves she is a lot smarter than you.

    “I have a garage that is full of big cars and fast cars that you will never own Duckey.”

    I’m sure you have. Hence your eternal truth concerning éverything.

    “I’ll tell you a story from a few years ago when my wife and I went to the theatre in London, I was driving a new Range Rover and we came across a demonstration by the Tower of London. We had to slow down but the hate from the demonstrators scared my wife and then they started hitting my car, why? Because it was a nice car, I worked bloody hard to earn that car and yet they frightened my wife because they didn’t have one.

    Could be, or maybe you just bullied yourself through the protestors.. we’ll never know”. In either case, I fail to see the relevance here.

    “That is you Duckey, your envy drives you to make the nasty posts you make, so why not instead of smashing your keyboard and go and make something of your life.”

    Your knowledge of people is divine.

    “Anyway, you’ve finally managed to convince me to take a step back from this site. ”

    Pfff… finally

    “I was hoping I could bring useful information from friends that I have to this site”

    If you did just that, you would be loved and cherished here.

    “but trolls like you that attack anything that isn’t pro Max really don’t make it fun any more.”

    They don’t ‘attack’ you. They defend against attacks from you. You just dont accept that other people have other opinions and immediately start swearing and insulting them. What goes around, comes around Steve. I just don’t give up easy when people deny me having my own opinion and use insulting tactics and stupid bragging to get their right.

    “You contest what I say and when I prove it you accuse me of bragging and I’m just tired of it.”

    Bragging is not proving, Steve… Saying that you ‘know’ people is no prove. Stating that you’re 6’4 and have a lovely wife and lots of money is no prove. If you dont even understand that difference, your even more stupid than you present yourself here.

    “Before I go know this, the man you protect Horner is great when he is winning but a nasty bitter loser when he isn’t. Max is the same, he is dangerous and expects everyone to give way otherwise he will take them out which is why CrashStappen suits him. He has taken out his own team mates, just ask Ricardo.

    Yes. As you can dug up incidents for every other F1 driver, now and in the past. It’s Ricciardo btw…

    “Is this really what we want as the future of F1? ”

    You had no problem when Schummacher, Prost and Senna intentionally tried to kill eachother? Or is it only a problem when LH is the ‘victim’. Starting about ‘the future of F1’ is somewhat late now, isn’t it?

    “I think Max is in for a rude awakening this season and you lot will run out of expletives and excuses by the time the season ends and Max is whining and sulking every day. ”

    We’ll see. If LH/MB is the strongest this year, i have no problem with that.

    “Get a life Duckey I’m out, I wonder which one of us Judge would have rather kept, the fanatic or the realist.”

    I do have a life Steve. Believe it or not. And Judge loves our little quarrels. All clicks and traffic 🙂 Nevertheless i hope you will keep your word this time and do indeed leave here. You add nothing but idolization and insults. That’s just not very productive.

    • I was not going to do this but you are so thick it hilarious, saying you aren’t the sharpest tool in the box is such an understatement! The bragging was intentional you moron, have you ever hear of irony! It was my final post so I set a few things straight but honestly I can’t resist this and my wife is out. Firstly, I never said I emailed you I posted a French reply when after me correcting you on your spelling yet again, I said I spoke other languages and could still spell and as usual you challenged me so I wrote a message in French, which you probably didn’t understand anyway and yes I will message the Judge as I did it, you have a selective memory. Also, Translate does appear when you copy from it but depends on what software you use as when we converted app’s to other languages it was an issue.
      You are the true definition of a coward who writes nasty offensive posts from behind his keyboard. You are undoubtably short and probably ugly too and you continue to call me short, I doubt you would come up to my armpit. You keep pushing and I have access to excellent technical people and I could find out who you are and then you and I would have a very unpleasant conversation face to face with you staring into my chest! I have a pilots licence and a plane so I don’t care if I have to fly to Schiphol, I’ve done it before, with Executive handling as you would expect 👍
      People that question others all the time are usual deceitful people themselves with problems with the truth so I really don’t take much notice of anything you claim as I doubt it’s true. I never ask you to prove anything. I’ve already proved to you many things like my business background but you just choose to forget as it’s easier to hurl insults. Choosing a Focus over a Bentley Duckey, really at least you don’t have to worry of ever having to make a choice. I’ve never really had any problems with my cars most of which are built here in the UK, except losing the hydraulics in my steering once in a Range Rover on the M25 doing 90mph. Which as it moves up, down, in and out was pretty hairy.
      As for your posts, I’ve read books that were shorter, I really got under your skin obviously, talk about throwing a hissy fit! Sadly Duckey, many people like my posts and tell me, as do they recognise your posts as irrelevant trolling, I have had one today, read it, unlike yours it was intelligent and he seems to have your number already.
      A couple of other things while I’m here, Schumacher, Prost and Senna were all guilty of driving into other drivers, also Rosberg who was a nasty cheating little sod and like Max didn’t deserve his title either. Hamilton however, is not. He is widely known for being an honest driver and avoids crashes not inviting them, his quote ‘racing is an endurance not a sprint’, something that if Max wasn’t so arrogant would be wise to listen to. Lewis honest driving is the view of experienced drivers current and past and not like an armchair racer like yourself, you just won’t admit it because it’s Lewis and you hate him. Also, even when the truth is staring at you in black and white you still refuse to acknowledge it, like with Bottas. He has been the best team mate for Lewis as Perez is to Max. Both aren’t as fast but support their team mates to help them be champion. Perez did a great job of holding up Lewis in Abu Dhabi, Bottas is a different driver, great in qualifying but too safe in racing so defence isn’t his best talent.
      Lots of what you said in your rant, didn’t even happen or you misunderstood but no matter there was at least content with your post albeit totally biased towards Max. One thing you have never understood is that your total devotion to Max means you miss what is right in front of you. I don’t hate Max but although he is hard to like I really admire his talent but it is raw and dangerous like attaching a rocket to a Ford Focus. I simply point out the truth which you can’t handle and unlike your hateful posts about Lewis which are usually just pointless nasty stuff with little content, I point out that firstly Max and Horner stole the title and the rest of the world apart from Max and RB fans agree. Secondly he could be a great driver if only he took Lewis advice amongst others and didn’t approach every attempt to pass as do or die, he would win more points if he did.
      Anyway, I am taking a step back but not just because of you don’t flatter yourself. It upsets my wife as I get irritated and she worries about my blood pressure and also some posts are just plain vile, why would I need that? Also you hate me mentioning my wife, I’m guessing as no woman would give you a passing glance you are jealous. I’m not going for good though just taking a break as a lot of people like what I post and I’ve warned them about you and your cronies and said they shouldn’t engage as it’s as pointless as nailing custard to the wall. So you carry on trolling but you may find most people will ignore you, which as any troll who loves attention will drive you crazy. As for me, my wife is due back from her pamper morning soon and we are going out to lunch as it’s a beautiful day, I wonder what car I will use, if only I had a Ford Focus 😂😂

    • Judge, I wrote a message to Duckey weeks ago in French so I’m guessing it wont be hard to find. Could you find it and post it for me, I’ll be grateful. As usual Duckey is calling me a liar which I’m not and he has a selective memory, he only remembers posts that praise Max.

    • Also Duckey, if you had ever been in the middle of protest with people banging on your car with hateful looks on their faces, the very last thing you would do is provoke them. I was in a dinner jacket and my wife in a gown which only made it worse. It shows what a real dickhead you are for even thinking that I would just drive through them. My wife was terrified, really frightened she was shaking and you make a joke out of it, what sort of moron are you! She still talks about it today as when they started banging on the car, luckily a Range Rover is strong but she thought she was going to dragged out of the car. I kept the car in idle and crept forward until we were clear but that sort of thing scars you and you think it’s funny!

    • Oh and Duckey, my wife has just got home and getting ready for lunch so I’m going to be gone and not back for quite a while. I’ve just done a poll and Bentley or Ford Focus puts you in a minority of one! I’m guessing that you are used to being on your own so good luck with that, we may be toasting you at lunch or at least not having to listen to your nonsense for a while.

      • Wow.. less than 1 day… 4 reactions within half an hour from the man that would step down.

        And there we go again…Swearing. Name calling. All the signs of a loser, loosing it. Again you don’t put your balls where mouth is. Your lást post you said ….? Pitty you don’t have a spine.

        So after the dozens of times I asked you to stop the bragging, now suddenly it’s irony?? Then we must believe you really are a dwarf and not 6’4 than?

        And you only dare posting when your wife is away? Well… clearly your not the boss in the house :). The translate flag is now suddenly software dependent ?? While we talked about google translate all the time? Some topclass IT firm it must be if they can’t even get that right.

        On top of all.. you now even lower yourself to threatening me? Haha… the ultimate argument of the verbally impaired.

        You did not really read my comment, did you?. Again a stupid story about your car breaking down…irrelevant, nobody cares. I never said it was funny in the car with the protestors. I only said ‘Maybe true, maybe not’. Read Steve, don’t just assume and wind yourself up.

        My posts are long?? Omg… you’re hilarious. Check your own comments Steve. Half of all the text in every comment section is yours. Including the article.

        So your wife is coming home now? Then better quick sneak away from behind your keyboard and act as if nothing happend. Or you might be caught redhanded 😀 😀

        Grow up! Get a spine. Post about F1 and stop shouting, swearing and calling other people idiots and morons. Child.

        • Your pathetic as you are predictable and posting on this site upsets her but you made such an ass of yourself I couldn’t resist it and put some other posts in for good measure. I care about my wife and don’t like upsetting her which is different from what you are implying, I’m the man in this house. Being married is a balance which you have no idea alone in your basement. If you were married which will probably never happen it’s a partnership and although I’m my own man I like keeping her happy and will tell her I have posted you and she wont like it but she trusts me as I wont do again.
          I worked in IT and engineering for forty years you really want to test me after testing me on my other languages which you just deny but the Judge is looking into that for me. You don’t need me to look a moron you do that to yourself every day on your own. What do you want to talk about sending a message in Html5, ,Razor, JavaScript, React, NodeJS, Json or maybe Cloud dev like Azure or AWS. What do you do shelf stacking, you always lead yourself so wide open as you distrust everyone as you are a devious liar yourself whereas I always tell the truth and it trips you up all the time. When you buy a new Range Rover you get a ticket for off road driving and I always use Milton Keynes where they show you what the cars can do. Also, if you have to change a tyre on a Range Rover you can call Land Rover support but if you do it yourself you have to do one thing, open the drivers door. Only a Range Rover owner would know these things, also when you buy a Bentley you get a nice Bentley kit with a certificate from people who built the car, something else you wont find on Google, you also get an invite to the factory. You are a sad distrusting man that lives on lies and vindictiveness to compensate for your own sad life. We are leaving soon and are late because we aren’t going to the restaurant now but meeting our friends on their boat. You can reply all you like, I wont reply what is the point, like I said nailing custard to a wall but know this Duckey one day I might seek you out and then we will know who is the liar and who tells the truth. Carry on trolling in your unhappy and unfulfilled world.

          • Nobody here cares if you have a range rover or not. Your personal life and possessions dont matter. They don’t make your opinion more right or wrong. Everybody understands that but you.
            Only an inferiority complex makes you believe that you only count when you are rich or succesfull and uses it to prove a point. And, as my friend said.. dont contradict them too much. They get aggressive. And see… you’re allready making threats.

          • I had a lovely afternoon on the river Dart with our friends on their boat and my wife brought this website up in conversation. In the car she was worried that she was preventing me from doing something that I enjoyed which is what a caring wife does but I assured her it was no big deal and I was happy to step back for a while. Not convinced she brought it up with her friend Trish who works with the mentally impaired, sorry I made that up but it is relevant. You weren’t mentioned specifically but the responses I get from you and your troll mates were and the general opinion was it is a type of bullying. You have no lives and no goals so you target something like Max and RB who you can follow and cling to and attack anyone and everyone that threatens their credibility and if you can’t convince people you resort to nasty trolling messages instead, ring a bell? What are trolls after all but meaningless people who strike out at people that have everything they don’t have, that sounds like you Duckey. For the record Trish’s husband Mark works in Security and was up for finding you guys and giving you a wake up lesson. For the record I hate bullies, I was always big so I wasn’t bothered but I often stood up for people who were bullied as it’s a nasty trait and needed stamping out.
            When I sent that post that you spent 100 lines telling me I was bragging, which was funny as I did it on purpose because you are so predictable and like a stupid fish I reeled you in and you bit. You hate the fact that I live a life you will never have and like those people on that protest, instead of working hard to get a car like mine they would rather attack it instead. I’ve worked damn hard over the years, seven days a week very long days and spending time away and abroad from my family but I did it for them so that they could enjoy the lives they have now. Small minded people like you Duckey don’t get that and think you are entitled, well you are not, what you get you earn in this life, so stick with the shelf stacking you will get there one day, maybe buy a Ford Mondeo.
            Lastly something you never ever got, I started out posting messages about Lewis which predictably you attacked. I also found your mates writing terrible and totally unfounded stuff about Lewis, you know the same crap, ‘Cry baby, bad loser, didn’t deserve his titles as he had the best car, lost in Abu Dhabi because he didn’t change tyres’ all this rubbish that anyone who knew anything about racing would see as vindictive rubbish, so I defended it. Then for my trouble I get posts attacking me and my credibility and I can prove my credibility and I did and then you accused me of bragging. You people never let up which is why my wife wanted me to stop she was worried about me. I worked in top level business which is a constant dog fight where I fought in board meetings and can handle myself and have a thick skin and can handle you idiots all day long and to be honest I found it fun pointing out what morons you really are it was like shooting fish in a barrel but my wife worries about me and as I care about how she feels, I felt taking a step back until the season is under way made sense. You are so totally deluded I bet Covid and Global Warming was down to MB and Lewis. So when Max is losing you will be saying MB are responsible and that will make my day. As I’ve always said Duckey you don’t need me to make you look like a moron as you do a great job without my help.
            ‘wWelk said Dre’, ‘fysical’ my god Duckey my Grandson can spell better than you. Claiming it’s not your first language is no excuse, I bet you can’t spell in Dutch either which makes me think you must work with your hands, like I said a shelf stacker maybe, very low on the evolutionary scale. You say me having a Range Rover doesn’t matter but it does to you, you hate it, I’ve had a few since the new BMW version in 2002, I had one of the first, we drove it through France and Italy. Also, me having an inferiority complex, really Duckey don’t make me laugh. Yes I have a Bentley Continental too in racing green but my wife drives it more than I do as it’s quite low.
            Let me explain something Duckey, firstly I don’t make idle threats but I do make promises and you and I will meet one day, that is a promise and I keep my promises but before you soil your trousers I have better things to do right now. Secondly, before you ruined it I liked this site and there are a lot of people who message me that like what I say and also make really good honest posts. You know normal people with normal racing opinions and not with huge Hamilton shaped chips on their shoulders like you and your idiot mates. So I’m going to continue posting here just less often, my wife is happy with that and I can handle you and your cronies without breaking sweat so you continue trolling and when I feel like it I’ll reply.

          • Haha Steve you’re so funny. Btw Judge… physical threatening people is allowed on your site? The 3rd time now mr ceo uses it.

          • duckey I don’t lose Amy sleep over this.
            if steve wants my address he can just ask. He can visit me anytime he wants. I’m just afraid he doesn’t have time for this. Will have to go to monaco or st tropez after the week in Nice. Or had to vissit important people.

          • he’ll need to get his feet very wet before he can come over to physically threaten you Duckey

          • This website uses Gravatar which is affiliated to WordPress so a CMS site. My guys tell me that is easier to hack than a privately developed site in private code with it’s own security. They say that when you make a post they can track your IP address and then we know who you are. Just letting you know what is possible and remember I have my own plane and have flown into Schiphol many times. You always questioned me and I always told you I don’t lie so maybe I should prove it to you one day.

          • dear steve,

            your response to my post and other posts on this site shows your true nature. culminating in your latest threat to hack the site and get our addresses. how sad are you Do you really want to start with personal threats now?
            Well then you are really a pathetic
            male!
            sorry for you you are pathetic, lukkey you you have had expensive cars 🏎🏎and important jobs.🚜🚜
            only you have proved once again that you are not really reliable. since you said you wouldn’t reply on thursday.
            And since have poster numerous post 🤔🤔🤔

          • What’s with the Dear Steve and then abuse and why post a message in Dutch and then the same in English, what sort of weirdo are you! Your English is so bad it’s hard to understand if there is a point in there anywhere. I explained earlier why I’m still posting, you obviously have trouble reading as well as writing like Duckey.
            I may be a large man but I’m old and retired and my fighting days are well behind me, I was winding Duckey up and teaching him a lesson. If I wanted to find Duckey or you I could but it wont be me as I have people that would do that for me, I have guys who worked for me that could find anyone who uses a computer. If you really think I would spend over £1000 in aviation fuel and expenses just to meet you lot then you are more stupid than you sound, I have far more interesting things to do.
            You and Duckey are forever questioning my integrity but I’m no liar and one of the reasons for my success was you could count on me and I’m a man of my word, quite important in business when people are depending on you. Duckey is the one who has trouble with the truth or remembering things.
            I’m off for a cosy weekend away tomorrow in the Cotswolds. Then we are driving to Essex for a few days and then fly to Nice for a week, so I really wont be posting much at all although I will have a laptop with me, so don’t miss me too much. I’ll be in Monaco one day next week, I love the boats and will drive the circuit which I’ve done many times before, once with an F1 driver when the GP was on but it’s not the same surrounded by angry French men.

    • Duckey

      laat Steve maar, hij kan er niets aan doen. Dat arm schaapje kan echt alleen maar positieve dingen zien over Lewis, Toto en mercedes.

      Hij wil met behulp van het beschrijven van zijn geweldige leven, vol belangrijke daden en momenten, aantonen dat hij wel alles weet en superieur is. Hij heeft alleen niet in de gaten dat wij “Trolls” zoals hij het benoemd niet een partij ophemelen en de andere affakkelen zoals hij wel continue doet. Zowel over Max, Christian en RB, als ons de schrijvers van post op dit forum. En o wee als je hier iets van durft te vinden, laat staan er iets over durft te schrijven.

      Maar goed, we zijn van dit nare persoontje verlost (hopelijk) en anders heeft hij weer eens een mooi leugentje verteld 🙂

      never mind Steve, he can’t help it. That poor sheep can really only see positive things about Lewis, Toto and Mercedes.

      He wants to show that he knows everything and is superior by describing his great life, full of important deeds and moments. He just doesn’t realize that we “Trolls” as he calls it don’t glorify one party and flake the other as he does continuously about Max, Christian and RB, as well as us the authors of the post on this forum. And woe betide if you dare to find something about this, let alone write something about it.

      Anyway, we got rid of this nasty person (hopefully) and otherwise he told a nice lie again 🙂

      • Dutch really Duckey, you are Dutch but I bet your spelling is still awful. Try writing in French, Spanish or German and maybe a bit of Italian because you can’t. You calling me the nasty one that is rich, talk about Pot and Kettle. You are like Horner, nasty vindictive with a massive chip on your shoulder, I feel sorry for you, you are sad indeed. I’m going to meet our friends now who are intelligent, can spell and not bigoted and would appreciate a nice car like a Bentley you would hate them.

      • I’m sorry Duckey, I though this was you but it’s Dre like Badgerman, Hedgehog and all your other Dutch trolls on this site always attacking anything not worshiping Max. I apologise for thinking it was you Duckey, I should have known as Dre is even a bigger moron than you are. Keep taking the tablets from nice men in white coats Dre.

        • Dear Steve,

          You accused me of trolling, but I never called you names. I didn’t call you a retard.
          Furthermore, I do not praise Max or RB.
          I’m just giving my view on things. Just like you give your view on things. However, you don’t have the ability to compare.
          I think Duckey feels the same way. but I can’t know. Since I don’t know what he actually thinks.
          unlike you, I don’t speak on behalf of others, nor do I feel the need to defend others.

          And as you can read. Once again I wrote a post without swearing or insulting.
          Maybe you can learn from that?
          Anyway, since you stopped commenting on this site anyway. You won’t be reading this anymore.

          • wWelk said Dre. I give it 3 days max. Then he wil be here again. Possibly sooner. The sunday result will be a factor. He’s at the level of fysical threatening now. And you may have noticed too… he’s a lousy reader. I suspect he only quickscans a text and then starts shooting from the hip.

          • Dre,
            This post was reasonable enough but your earlier post was mostly in Dutch and that is one language I don’t speak so other than Duckey who knows what you said. Secondly, the part of your post that was in English was insulting and you are clearly from the Duckey Dutch camp. So please don’t try and kid anyone that your posts are any less poisonous just because you don’t swear in them and for the record I don’t like swearing either. I don’t say anything that I wouldn’t want my kids to say and they are over 30. As for your sheep post, that really made me laugh, since when did you idiots ever come up with anything original other than ‘crying, bad loser, cry baby’ you all post the same rubbish now that is what I call sheep.
            I defend the things you say about Lewis as if you are big enough to admit it you all hate him as he has made Max look like he was in reverse for years until with Masi’s help, Max was finally gifted the title but other than you poor deluded souls, the rest of the world thinks Max is a paper champion only. That is what you can’t stand and you can whine as much as you like but it doesn’t change anything. Whilst you don’t praise Max or RB you constantly defend them, you are Dutch after all. Like all your compatriots you see nothing wrong in Abu Dhabi and yet say Toto is no better than Horner because he smashed his headset when he was upset. That’s called passion Dre and Toto is about as different from Horner as you are from a racing fan.
            Maybe this year Max can win the title properly but I doubt it, I see him getting his arse kicked all season.

      • Why write the same in Dutch and then the same in English, what point are you making, only Duckey and the other troll’s speak Dutch so why? Either way it’s not pleasant, also I don’t lie that’s Duckey’s take on things and he has had me prove time and again because he is suspicious being a deceitful liar himself. I’ve never been proved a liar and wouldn’t be, I’ve nothing to hide, it’s you pour souls that hide behind your Id’s posting way above your weight that are the deceitful ones. Max is really an ugly girl and Horner dresses up in women’s clothes, that should keep you going for a while 😂🤣

  22. Is Horner so full of shit or what! Toto is just as dedicated if not more than Horner, I doubt he sees his Monaco apartment much at all, just motorhomes and hotels. In Netflix, all you ever see is Horner at home, so when is he ever at the office or on the track!
    Doesn’t Horner love telling everyone he comes from a racing background but fails to mention that so did Toto, in fact amongst other things Toto held the record at the Nurburgring, I’ve driven round that circuit and it’s miles long and scary as hell. What did Horner ever achieve, he was very good at finishing third or worse which obviously prepared him for management.
    I was born in Bow East London and grew up around Horner’s most of my life, who would stab anyone in the back to get ahead, no integrity no principles, just trying to win at all costs, much like Max and sod anyone who gets in the way.

  23. Just something to put out there but has anyone wondered why Max goes through team mates like I go through razor blades. First it was Ricciardo who found Max a constant pain in the arse and left, driving into his team mate didn’t help, I think he realised that Max would drive straight through him to win. Then Gasly, another great talent and an old driving mate of Max who has prospered after leaving Red Bull but could never settle. Then Albon another great talent who drove well on the track, perhaps too well as he was soon demoted to test driver and now will be with Williams. Red Bull seems to turn out drivers like no other team could it be Max? Seeing as Horner treats Max like his own love child and would hand over a kidney if needed, you can see where his attention lies. johnny Herbert is a friend of mine and talks of his days as Schumacher’s team mate which makes me wonder. You see all the PR stuff on the TV but behind the scenes it’s different. When Johnny went to test and practice, he was told to wait an hour as they were dealing with Michael. Every time he was second fiddle as Schumacher took all the resources and as Johnny said how was I supposed to deliver when I had no back up and I think the same applies with Max. He gets all the resources and attention and his team mate is a bit part player, no wonder they leave. Last season he had Perez who proved a great team mate but all drivers are competitive and a drivers career is short, who would want to be the bridesmaid so expect Perez moving on soon. Lewis on the other hand had his team mate Bottas for years and would still have him had it not been for MB wanting a change, Russell is hungry for a title so I think less of a team mate but he is no match for Lewis right now but will get better, so expect fireworks in the future. Max on the other hand chews through team mates like my daughter goes through mobile phones, says quite a lot about him I think, definitely not a team player, maybe he should try tennis.

    • and again steve, look at lewis! how many teammates did he have? alonso, button (was just better), kovalainen, rosberg and bottas.
      max has no say in who drives at redull just like lewis does not have at mercedes.

      • My god how naïve are you! Max has no say in his team mates, don’t be daft. Also, my point was that whilst at MB Lewis had Rosberg at first until he retired in 2016 after winning the title he really didn’t deserve and who retires after becoming champion, never been heard off and why does Lewis ignore him whenever they meet, truth will out one day, I do know they made Lewis sign an NDA. Then he had Bottas for over four years, so that’s two team mates in over six years, Max has had four team mates in nearly half that time.
        Of course Max has a say in who they use, just like Schumacher used to, Max learnt a lot from him as they used to holiday together. Max is a control freak and like Schumacher wants everything about him. My mate Johnny Herbert used to talk about his days as Schumacher’s team mate and going to practice and sit and wait until Schumacher had finished with everyone.

        • Psss steve… i see you’re sneaking out at night now,to post here? Carefull! Don’t want to wake the misses!

          • I don’t care Duckey! We are off for a cosy break in the Cotswolds today but before I go I just wanted to admit to winding you up a bit yesterday my wife didn’t approve but you had it coming. You are a cancer on this site along with your trolling mates. I wanted to show you that what you do can have consequences and you can’t hide behind your keyboard, so try and tone down the nasty sarcastic posts, no one wants it. Also, I admit to winding you up but not about what is possible, I have guys who worked for me that can find anyone who uses a computer. I already know what I would find though so why bother, not everyone is a liar like you.
            We drive to Essex for a few days after our weekend and then fly to Nice for a week, so I really wont be posting much at all although I will have a laptop with me, so don’t miss me too much.
            Interesting news from practice yesterday, could it be MB really do have problems? If so that flies in the face of what I have been hearing these last few weeks, so maybe they are playing Horner at his own game. If they are having problems, it is a new car I’m still in favour of Lewis as he gave Max a head start last season and still caught up, also Max will have his hands full with Ferrari as well, should be exciting.
            I’ll be in Monaco one day next week, I love the boats and will drive the circuit which I’ve done many times before, once with an F1 driver when the GP was on but it’s not the same surrounded by angry French men.

    • Herbert and Schumacher? Oh… you mean like Hamilton and Bottas. Where Ham gets all the resources and Bot is just the guinea pig used for testing engines. I get it. Tnx for explaining.

      • I came across this site today and thought it would be interesting as I’m a keen f1 fan along with my 2 sons and grandson, I’ve spent the last couple of hours reading and I’m astonished to say the least!….. didn’t realise what I was getting into. Think I’ll leave it alone.

        • I would give this site a chance, I made the mistake of responding to the trolls on this site and it made me a person I didn’t like very much and resorted to bragging as it seemed to irritate them the most but I hate bragging, it isn’t me at all.
          I’m stepping away as it upset my wife who kept telling me to step (she is the intelligent one) but if you don’t make the mistakes I did and don’t indulge the trolls you will see who they are and who are mostly Dutch and will attack any pro Hamilton post there are people on this site who are true racing fans and worth debating with.

          • Salut Dre, Monaco était génial comme toujours, la façon dont ces pilotes roulent sur ce circuit à près de 200 mph me dépasse.
            J’adore Nice, elle a le bleu le plus clair de toutes les mers que j’ai vues au monde. Ma femme adore le shopping Nicetoile, et les bars le long du front de mer comme Blue Beach ou Movida sont magnifiques. Parler français est apprécié et vous obtenez un meilleur service, ma femme parle français aussi.

          • bonjour Steve, ma femme parle français aussi. moi-même très mal. mais comme je l’ai déjà dit, je suis dyslexique et j’ai donc des difficultés avec l’orthographe.
            Monaco est en effet très beau. J’y étais l’été dernier et puis j’ai aussi eu ma résidence temporaire à Nice.

          • Mon français est meilleur que ma femme à cause de mes voyages d’affaires il y a des années, où seul le fait de parler anglais vous désavantageait.
            Je parle aussi espagnol, italien et un peu allemand.

          • Didn’t know the french had internet to🤔🤔. But Steve you Told is last week that you world stop posting comments here. And i must say you die stop for a few days . But here you are again. Not very trustworthy off you🤷🏾‍♂️

          • I wasn’t talking to you but a nice normal guy who was put off this site by the nasty posts between me you, Duckey etc.. and who would blame him, you are a cancer to this site and trust me, I only posted to ask him to give it a chance as long as he didn’t post with you imbeciles.

          • there you go again steve. name calling. I have not cursed or scolded you for anything. But still you keep doing it my way

          • So… you first denied vehemently you where bragging and we were morons saying so. Then you claimed it to be Irony and we were morons not to understand that. And now you admit is wás bragging all the time… I bet we are morons again for not seeing it the first time….

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