This ‘Voice of the Fans’ article is brought to you by TJ13 contributor Bruznic
Note from the Editor: The article below required a big leap of faith for the author, it’s a heartfelt piece stained with tragedy so please be respectful in the comments.
In loving memory, Jelle Linden. 24 February 1987 – 03 September 2016
When two worlds collide
As ever I want to thank @wtf_f1 for his editing. This was a rather difficult piece to shape for him, as I was all over the place.
Oh, here I go again. Falling in love all over
These are the opening words to Prince’s Pink Cashmere; one of my favourite songs by Prince and one of his least-known masterpieces. I use Prince’s words because they sum up my Formula One ‘career’ pretty well. There have been occasions that I’ve been accused of not having any emotions. Of course I have them; I’m not a robot. But I have trouble expressing them. I’m what you call a ‘manly’ man. I eat my meat red; I like my cars fast; I like movies about the Mafia; I like my Sabbath black and my zeppelin made of le(a)d; I like to get my hands dirty; I say what I want, when I want. And most of all, I like logic.
And men like me, well, we stuff our feelings down – way down – because they only get in the way of logic. Feelings are for women and children – unless it comes to Formula One. The moments from the formation lap to lights-out-and-away-we-go are always filled with excitement for me. No matter which race, or how the grid is made up, or if anything could go down – I’m always on the edge of my seat.
I’ve watched for several years without being a fan of any particular driver. When Eddie Irvine quit, so too did the ‘fanboi’ within me. Yes, you’ve read that right; I was an Irvine fan. I admired his personality. I’m not saying he was one of the best drivers ever (not a bad one either), but he was a guy like me and vice versa. I identified with him as, perhaps, some Hamfosi identify with Lewis Hamilton. I just wasn’t a c%&t about it in online forums. (Wanna know my secret? I’m always a c%&t , that’s the difference 😂)
From 2002 until 2007, I fanatically watched Formula One, but watched without being a fan of any particular driver. People who read this will probably know what I mean with respect to ‘fanatically’. I’m pretty sure you’re all the same, or maybe just a little bit less, but I’d bet a good dollar that it won’t be much less.
Anyway, I started writing this piece on a Saturday during work because I was obliged by my boss to come to work… and since the bastard didn’t show up himself, I thought that I could have more fun by doing this. As a miller, I sometimes have meaningful amounts of spare time on my hands when my machine is running for long periods. So while I was programming, I thought about what I wanted to write. While thinking about it, I initially felt that I wanted to make a piece about the Ferrari 312T4. For me the best looking Ferrari ever, even when it was shit. But when I started typing, and that first sentence popped into my head, I felt that doing a piece about my love for Formula One might be a bigger challenge. It allowed me, perhaps, too much freedom as a writer, which isn’t ideal for me right now because freedom and a hazy subject can make someone got lost in their own thoughts. But I never back down from a challenge, and on we go!
Back to the talk about feelings, a feeling often closely associated with Formula One is anger. Probably the only emotion I know how to express. I’ve learned that if you stuff anger down, you end up with a bad feeling inside you – so it’s best to vent that out, in my opinion. I’m cynical enough as it is; no need to get physically uncomfortable too! For that reason I’m sincerely thankful to and for Twitter and TJ13. Haha, I do mildly feel sorry for the people who’ve engaged me on a bad day. But, no one is holding a gun to anyone’s head. It’s just that a fight is so much fun, either physically or by a though discussion.
As some of you already know I am Belgian, and, strangely there’s actually little interest in racing here, which I think is stupid. There’s no grass-roots racing culture that can be found in other countries like the United States, Australia, Japan or England. And unless you’re Jay Leno you won’t even know that there was a Belgian car developer by the name of Minerva. They used to make cars for Kings, moviestars and business men like Henry Ford. But it died a slow dead and with it the love for cars in Belgium. It’s not that I don’t love my country, I do, but for having one of the best racing tracks in the world and one famous for playing a part in the death of, perhaps, one of the most iconic/mythical drivers of all time, there is very little interest in racing.
Belgium is about cycling, football (soccer for you simple-minded out there😉), motocross and tennis. To paint a picture of how it was right in the beginning of the Internet commercialisation when you couldn’t turn to the worldwide web like we do now, I had two friends who watched Formula One. One was a Schumacher fan, so it can’t get worse than that. The other was a Jacques Villeneuve fan, so it just got worse! The only information we got was during the broadcasts of qualifying and the race, unless you had this serious love for the sport, like I did, and you got those specialised magazines.
If I really wanted I could ask my dad about something, but he was stuck in the period between ‘Lauda vs Hunt’ to ‘Prost vs Senna’. One thing it did make me do was use the search engine of those days: a real library. SHOCK! Yes, a library. I’ve read countless books from a wide variety of people who’ve had absolutely anything to do with Formula One, yet the whole experience couldn’t get close to the days when eventually Internet exploded. I mean, over the years I’ve met people online who’ve had the same passion as me. I met people that’ve seen twice as many Grand Prix as me; people who knew much more about the technical side of Formula One – more than I could ever understand; people who’ve lived Formula One, and people as equally willing to chat about Formula One for as long as possible. With some of these people, I even talk daily and I value their opinion very much. It is freeing for me to be in touch with them because for once people know what I talk about, or have enough knowledge to follow my ramblings. The fact that one of them is a twice-as-old-as-me American with an excellent music taste and life lessons that only an old fart could have and the other is an Aussi who has the same c%£t-attitude as me helps in every way. But only the power of the Internet could realise that!
Now what has happened? After the Max vs Kimi incident on Kemmel straight at Spa, I’ve taken a firm stance against what the young man did. Both on Twitter and at thejudge13, my stance generated a lot of fuzz. Some shared my opinion and some not. Some accused me of being a “jealous Belgian” who couldn’t cope with the fact that Max was Dutch and momentarily conquering a world that I love so dearly. Of course, this is the biggest load of bullshit that was used against me. I’ve voted him as ‘Driver of the Weekend’ on some occasions, and I’ve lauded him when he did some magical overtakes which earned him masses of fans.
Despite the American hijacking of the concept, Dutch people, to me, are people who believe the most in ‘freedom of speech’ and such notions. They have an opinion about everything, every time, without fail – and that’s one of the main reasons why I work in the Hollandland. One is free to speak their mind on the work floor in a way that would get one fired in Belgium. Here you are entitled to say things to your boss in a direct way, whereas in Belgium there are more classes of people. At work, you’re an employee; a low level and not more than that. People above you can say much more against you, yet you can’t criticise them. And Mr. Boss Man is untouchable.
Anyway, back to my point. It seemed as if in the week post Spa, I, and others, were forbidden from saying anything critical about young Max. Lauda, of course, did so in his well-known uncensored way, which got a lot of comments online. Everybody is entitled to do that as much as he or she pleases, but most of you reading here know how to do that without taking a low-blow. I have seen people attack Lauda for things he could do nothing about. Remember Max got a lot of criticism for an action he made, so by doing them himself he opens the door for direct criticism of them. But when people start to go for the scars on Lauda’s face, which he got by suffering in a fire in OUR beloved sport, I think people crossed a line which, for me, should never be crossed. No previous actions or words can justify any form of revenge where you go for physical shortcomings; certainly not ones suffered in a horrible accident. Those are the kind of people for whom this freedom of the Internet is too much to handle.
Another argument used by many after I’d point out just how dangerous Max’s manoeuvre was at speeds of 350kph was: “Motorsport is dangerous. They know that. They’re real men.” That argument was one I couldn’t understand then, but now even less so. Since I began typing this article, I’ve gotten some bad news which made the above-mentioned statement painful; soul-crushing, even. When I got the news that a good friend of mine had died on a race track, it felt like the earth stopped moving. When I heard the circumstances on how it happened, it was like two words colliding.
There were a lot of details similar to the ‘Max vs Kimi’ incident, and also a lot different, too. My friend had to take avoiding action because the guy in front of him moved in the braking zone. But unlike Max, it wasn’t because the one in front wanted to deliberately take revenge. Like Kimi, my friend was quick enough to avoid him, but unlike Kimi there was another one in front of them both, which he smashed into. He died in that spot…
Unlike the whole Spa incident, there is a young man torn out of this big family of relatives and friends. Does anyone of you think I can comfort his mother with the words “motorsport is dangerous; he knew that…” Of course he knew that! We knew that! But it doesn’t make a difference when you lose a loved one. When a story comes to a premature end it is never a happy ending. I think people who use that argument do not know racing, nor do they comprehend the severity of the possible consequences. Perhaps they never experienced the feeling of losing someone.
I am a big fan of close battles and driving on the limit, but the biggest factor in this mix is mutual respect – and that is what Max lacks. Such an action shows that. The interviews after the race, and up to the next race, underlined that even more. When I read the answer he had to Jacques Villeneuve’s accusations, I couldn’t believe what I read. No matter how many excuses he had a day later on how it was badly translated, I read the whole thing in Dutch and it wasn’t badly translated at all. It was just plain disrespectful.
Rather selfishly, I have used this piece to work through some of the things that I am feeling – but unable to express properly. What started out as something for fun became something of significant gravity for me. I have found out that writing has enabled me to start my grieving process. While writing this piece, I had to put my phone down several times because I choked up and I had to fight my tears. If you know me personally, you’d know just how big of a shock the last sentence is. During writing, pictures of the last 15 years popped up in a WhatsApp group making it even harder. So if you are still reading this, I want to thank you as it means a lot to me. This will be the last time I will mention the bad things that happened. From here on out I’ll only remember the good times. Naturally, I’ll be dedicating this piece to my friend. One of my brothers has fallen, and I can only be lucky he picked me to be his friend.
In loving memory, Jelle Linden. 24 February 1987 – 03 September 2016
I feel the tears burning behind my eyes. *swallow*
Thanks for this piece. My condoleances to you.
For the rest, I think respect can be (re-)earned and learned. So I await the future.
Agreed. I’m not writing max off. But I do hope he and his surroundings learn from it. Don’t be stubborn. Respect is a big factor at 300kph.
People who said nasty words about Lauda most definitely never race.. good piece..
Thank you
Max never said anything nasty about Lauda .. that is just sheer slander. Give me the source and well right now where he says anything mean about Lauda. It is just a nasty lie my friend and you should be ashamed of yourself!!!!
You know what I have noticed? Some off you get angry before you read anything with full concentration l. I never said max said it. I said fans of him said that. Big difference. So before trying to shame me, read the piece again.
it was directed to diwant and not you!
My response is still justified then. He never said max said it.
To avoid such confusions, use @. As in:
@Arnoud van Houwelingen
Max never said anything nasty about Lauda. Where is your source?? This is just a very nasty lie!!!
Diwant referred to Bruznics description of some comments on this site, @Arnoud
Of course Max never said anything about Lauda’s scars.
I do agree however, that his – watch me, I’m going to paraphrase here, so it’s not literal, but it’s what most people hear – his (Max’) “don’t talk about danger, you killed a marshall” comment was tasteless.
Respect
A heart felt reply for a thoughtful and meaningful piece.
Nothing to add Bruznic, my thoughts are with you mate.
Thank you.
Respect – my feelings can only be a fraction of yours – based on 50+ years of the sport we all love
It’s a strange feeling when those 2 world’s come together
Sorry for your loss, Bruznic.
Thank you
“soccer for you simple-minded out there😉),” Why are you picking on the Brits? 😉
“Despite the American hijacking of the concept, Dutch people, to me, are people who believe the most in ‘freedom of speech’ and such notions.” Pretty sure the Americans wrote it down some 24 years earlier.
And I’m just having a poke.
Nice writing, and I like Belgium very much based on my recent adventures at Spa,
It was directed at the Americans who consider hand egg as football and football as soccer. 😆
As for the Dutch, Europe was first. So I’ll give it to them. 😂 free fought spirits over there.
And yeah I recommend going to spa to everyone.
Haha! Hand egg! I love that term, and use it myself. I say this as an Australian who loves NFL 🙂
A lovely, heartfelt piece. I’m truly sorry for your loss.
Regarding Max, he’s an excellent driver, no doubt. Quick? For sure. Prodigiously talented? Most definitely. But I refer to him as a driver, not a racer. He’s all brute force, elbows out aggression. I would dare to say he lacks finesse on the limit. It makes for some unquestionably exciting television, but I consider him an accident waiting to happen, and a nasty one at that. At 300+ kph, brake-checking and/or moving in the braking zone is a massive no-no, regardless of what class of driver you’re going against, or what car you’re in. Especially when F1 cars have no taillights.
You can say he’s young, and he’ll learn. I’m afraid he might learn the hard way. Yes, he’s young, but he’s also a Formula 1 driver. He should know better.
Yes, car racing is dangerous, especially in prototype machines capable of incredible speeds. To exacerbate the risk with wild manoeuvres isn’t exciting. It’s reckless.
You call it ‘brute force’ and ‘reckless’ … I call it ‘phenomenal’ and ‘fearless’.
I’m sorry to read it has gone this far in needing to attack Verstappen that everything seems to be allowed. Lauda en Villeneuve were both first showing a big lack of respect which triggered things, but hey, only when Max does the same in return it isn’t ok.
I see you got help of @wtf_f1 for the editing, from who I still wait for pieces on how entitled Ricciardo and Sainz have been acting.
Now talking about respect, you act like you were some kind of respecting F1 fan who in the past was fair towards Max, but you never were, you only have been acting like a typical frustrated Belgian (venting frustrations towards the Dutch). This piece also isn’t showing any respect towards your friend by using him to write about Max…what is wrong with you to use the death of your friend in such a manner?…if you want to write a piece about how there’s a mutual lack of respect on different sides (yes, there’s a lot of disrespect towards Max too, and you are just as guilty about that), you don’t do that by dragging the death of your friend into it, that’s very disrespectful towards him…you should first try to find out what respect really is before you start talking about respect…
…you have no problems in showing your feelings at all, it’s just that your feelings are filled with so much anger and hate, and they have consumed you in such a way, you felt the need to use the death of a friend in such a manner…you have no clue what respect actual is, because it sure hell isn’t using the tragedy of what happened to your friend as means to lash out at someone…God, this World really has a serious lack of mirrors.
I never said I was fair towards max. I said I did not only bash him. I ventilated my anger towards him if I thought he did something wrong. But I do that against everyone. Not only max. But like most you only care to react on the times that I was against him, or better, his actions. As far as I’m concerned I don’t think I can’t be harsh just because I’m a Belgian. As long as I am equally harsh on anybody what’s the problem? You might want to read the paragraph where I lauded the Dutch people. I think you skipped that for the sake of your argument.
As for using the dead of my friend, you’ve got it all wrong. I used this piece. Not my friend. I wrote down words that I wasn’t able to say. I used this piece because the writing enabled me to grieve. And once again I think you only read a little piece of this article as I state clearly that I am very good at expressing anger. The fact that this piece wasn’t meant about max at all before I began, hell not even half way through is, again, something that seems to be to much for you to grasp.
As for my friend, he’d only be proud to have a piece written about him. And if you don’t like the fact that I used his faith for personal reasons, which is, again, mentioned in the piece itself, you can choose not to read this article again. I don’t mind.
If you do read it again you might see I didn’t lash out at max the person, but the actions he did. Big difference.
If you wanted to honour your friend, you simply could have written a separate piece about him, right now the only thing you have done is dragging him into a mud fight for your own selfish reason.
And nice try by making the suggestion on how fair you are, but who are you actual kidding?
The first sentence of my comment was that I’m not fair. I ain’t. I never will be. I don’t need to. Just like I said a couple of times that I am selfish. Perhaps you should read without the red mist in front of your eyes. Anyway nobody says you have to read what I write, nor do you have to like it. That’s the whole freedom of speech concept.
Is this a good time to mention that Max is Belgian: Born, raised and living in Belgium (up until he started competing in F1)? Or perhaps this too is disrespectful in some way to the Dutch… Or is it possible that you’re some sort of typical frustrated Dutch venting frustrations towards the Belgians because the Dutch darling isn’t, after all, a Dutch exclusivity?
Hahahahha
“I see you got help of @wtf_f1 for the editing, from who I still wait for pieces on how entitled Ricciardo and Sainz have been acting.” – Borg
Don’t hold your breath, buddy.
I’m not going to comment on anything other than what the title of the piece claims – that Verstappen lacks mutual respect. First off – Verstappen has essentially been raised in the Red Bull culture which is cut-throat, where the only person you respect is yourself. He now finds himself in the main team and he has has been comprehensively beaten in both qualifying and the race by Riccardo, and that doesn’t look like changing anytime soon.The Barca win was a fluke. The second part is Heineken. There’s no question that Heineken’s sponsorship, reportedly some $40M a year, is linked to Verstappen. And unlike bringing sponsorship to an individual team, this is sponsorship which goes into FOM / Liberty Media’s pockets and they have a vested interest in maintaining it. So what you have is Verstappen who knows he’s not the best driver on his team, but largely protected by Heineken’s money by FOM / Bernie. A perfect storm for driver to do whatever he wants to try and prove himself – knowing the consequences are minimal.
I seriously could not believe what I just have read, thanks for the laugh!…it’s good lesson to the writers of this site, if you write garbage, you attract these kinds of people and hardly anyone will take this site seriously.
Is that comment aimed at me?
It was mostly directed towards the owners of this site about the consequences of placing such dubious articles…but in a way it was also directed at you, because what you wrote was of such level of ridiculousness, it didn’t even deserve a serious response, accept giving my true reaction of what happened after I read it.
Then debunk it. Go on. I await clear criticism. If you can’t come up with any better than it’s “ridiculous” you should stick to the Max33fanpage
There’s not much to debunk. The last 5 races things haven’t gone Max’s way, which is something that happens to all drivers and that doesn’t tell much about the level of talent a driver has. Now seeing all drivers go through such periods, but they also don’t last forever, time will debunk you little theories.
“There’s not much to debunk.”
Ah come on. Then it has to be easy to do. Maybe you could compare to Riccardo’s average start position, average finish position or poles or podiums or top 5 finishes or points. Should be easy – right?
“Ah come on. Then it has to be easy to do. Maybe you could compare to Riccardo’s average start position, average finish position or poles or podiums or top 5 finishes or points. Should be easy – right?”
I made the mistake of doing that after the first couple of races between Hamilton and Rosberg…Nico was the best driver of Mercedes, but later I did it again, and Lewis was the best, and now I just did it again, and Nico again is the best driver. /s
It’s pretty easy to do such a thing after it hasn’t gone the right way for a driver for a handful of races…and just as people like to be selective about which statistics they use, they also love them when the teammate of the driver they support had a difficult period.
But since you asked for it, Kvyat is better as Ricciardo because he was able to score more points over a season, so Kvyat is the best driver of Red Bull.
Perhaps write your own articles to show us how it’s done then. It’s easy to compose a comment. Try making an article about it. The judge even gives you a chance.
Furthermore all those people complaining still keep coming here, so something must be good here.
“Perhaps write your own articles to show us how it’s done then. It’s easy to compose a comment. Try making an article about it.”
I don’t feel the need in doing so. Do you want me to start lashing out about everything little thing Stoffel is going to from now on?,…however I’m not going to that, because that would mean I would not to respect him…and that’s the biggest problem, you talk about needing to respect others while you don’t even do it yourself.
Apparently you expect to be able to vent your frustrations on the internet, and by so not being able to be really objective about things (trying to act like you are, isn’t the same as actually being it) and not have people criticize you for it?…don’t act all agitated now all of sudden when people criticize you, you only have yourself to blame when you write frustration fuelled things one the internet.
“Furthermore all those people complaining still keep coming here, so something must be good here.”
Many people nowadays probably come here because it now shows up as a headline at the F1 section of “newsnow.co.uk.”
Hahaha. Let me see, it’s OK for you to criticise me because I write critique about someone else. But it’s not ok for me to make that critique. If i wouldn’t have made that critique in the first place you wouldn’t be able to criticise me. And once again, I’m not objective. I don’t know why you think that? I’m biased. Biased as hell. Of course I am. Everybody is. You just hate it that my bias isn’t the same as yours.
But back to the criticism, I never expected there to be none towards me. Of course there would be some. That’s the way Internet work. I don’t mind. But to be honest I never attacked max, certainly not at a personal level, I only wrote about his actions. Actions that, as a public figure, will always be open for critique. Just like I did against Hamilton, Vettel, Schumacher… the lot. Just like I will be for vandoorne, and you can join me. Because unlike you I don’t care if you say something about a public figure that I might be a fan of. I like discussions. No need to think that I’m agitated. I’m not. This is just to kill time. I do know the difference between Internet and real life.
Borg. Please attempt to unplug your keyboard for about 24 hrs 😉
I sense that Borg only wants to hear when it relates to @max33verstappen – go oranje – hup Holland – toppers……………………
*cringes*
For years, I could follow my sport in isolation and now I have al these neighbours asking me stupid questions. And if Max becomes succesfull, I fear my whole country will jump on the bandwagon!
Immigrate to Belgium. They don’t care about f1. Not even when stoffel comes on-board. 😂
Would be nice if someone can put an end to this fire rather than adding more fuel …
We didn’t start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world’s been turning
Very intelligent response … I am impressed.
Furthermore, really do not understand your rant against the Dutch and how that relates to Max’s driving style and the terrible death of your friend.
Where do I rant against the Dutch? I said they are the ones with the most freedom of speech. I said that’s the reason why I work in their country. I ranted against max’ fans who lowered themselves to attack Lauda on his physical shortcomings. I ranted against them that used the argument motorsport is dangerous, get over yourself. And that last part had a lot to do with the death of my friend.
Dear Bruznic, first of all sorry for your loss. There are idiots everywhere … don’t know what some Dutch people have said about Nicky Lauda but I’m sure it was unacceptable. As far as Max lacking ‘mutual’ respect, what are you talking about man? JV has been picking on him since day 1 … and, if you ask me, Max has been responding greatly to it. Max is a gift for F1 … for multiple reasons.
I’m not saying he isn’t a gift for f1. And I know villeneuve hasn’t been max biggest fan. But the last time round he had a solid point. Now this is something I never ever said before about jacques. And probably will never do again, but even a clock that doesn’t work anymore has it right twice a day. But I don’t expect max to have respect for villeneuve. Why should he? Villeneuve is a washed up caricature. The respect I mean is the respect drivers have ( or should have in this case) at 350kph. This whole piece is about moving in a braking zone at big speeds and how it can kill. And how some seem not to be able to see that fact. Of course max is a fresh breath of air in this circus. But I’d hate to see his career go down the drain faster than the one of his dad did because he is killed on track or someone gets killed by his action. It’s ok to make a mistake, I make plenty of them. But it’s not ok to not learn from them. That is my biggest point. And it seems that someone in his entourage might not give him the right direction. Or at least what I think is the right direction. He clearly stated he wanted revenge on Ferrari, which is the way of men. Certainly young men that we once all were. But it’s not ok that a week later no-one said to him listen max you kind of took the wrong approach there. So a week later he comes out and says villeneuve shouldn’t talk he killed a guy. That’s something I don’t understand. I might be to old. If he had said I might have been a bit to agressive in spa, nobody would care 2 days later. Because, as a youngster, he surely is entitled to making some errors. They all have. We all have. It has nothing to do with just how good max is. The battle with kvyat in Singapore was the highlight of that race. He might not came out on top, can’t happen every time but he, once again, showed what a great racer he is and he kept it clean. And he did a lot of great things since the storm of coming in f1 as youngest ever. But I hope he keeps doing them, clean. Fierce battles is good and all. But when somebody gets hurt it all changes, look at massa. Never again was he the massa prior to his accident. No other was involved there so it’d a different case but the outcome can still be the same. Are you ready to watch max go down because of some stupid error? I think it would be a huge waste of talent.
Appreciate where you are coming from … however, I have to dissagree with you that Max would not have respect for 300+ kph. Monaco was a good lesson for him. Max has no respect because he is moving in the breaking zone? They all do that and that is called defending your position. Max seems to be good at it, and so is Ocon … Sorry but that is my opinion.
Don’t say sorry. You’re as much entitled to an opinion as I am. That’s the beautiful side of life. Freedom of speech works both ways. It was never my purpose to even try to convert you, I just wrote the piece because it felt right for me. And like I said the best thing about this is that most of the readers and commenters are as hard-core as I am with respect to f1.
@bruznic, the whole problem is, you don’t have your facts straight, you’re hypocritical, and you attack Max.
The move at the Kemmel straight wasn’t under braking. Bottas does the same one week later at Monza to Hamilton and nobody cares. You don’t even mention Bottas also doing it, and that tells me your goal was to attack Max and not to write about moving under braking or reactive defending. It also shows how hypocritical you are by only mentioning Max, and that’s not the only thing you’re hypocritical about, you also criticize Max for his remarks towards Villeneuve about the death of a marshal, yet you do exactly the same thing with dragging the tragedy of your friend into it.
Why are you and Villeneuve only saying about Max trying to kill someone while others drivers do similar things?…you do realize you’re effectively trying to portray him as a murderer, and that’s a pretty big thing.
The piece was written before the monza race. Not my fault I can’t look in to the future.
@borg. But since you only practice selective reading I won’t bother anymore.
So you write selective and after that start to accuse someone of selective reading, how ironic.
But the whole story is, you sure seem to have a problem with “respecting” others people opinions about what is acceptable and was is not in racing on the limit (and I have lost many people close by, so it’s not like I don’t how it is to lose someone)…the reality however is, most current and old F1 drivers actually weren’t having much of problem with what happened, so why bother. If something happens because of them driving on the limit, it was their own choice, and if you have problems with racing on the limit, you might pick up watching other sports.
And btw, Lauda made those remarks, because right after the race a RTL Germany reporter shoved a mic in his face saying that Max was putting all the blame on Kimi (which Max hadn’t done). Lauda also has apologized for that to Red Bull. Max has respect for people like Marko, Horner, Berger or his dad, but not for someone like Villeneuve, and why would he respect someone who hasn’t given it to him?
For the last time, I don’t give a flying f*ck if he respects villeneuve. I don’t do that either. But since you’re clearly bad at Reading comprehensive I shall elaborate one last time. I’m talking about the move he pulled on Kemmel. You say it’s racing on the limit, I say it’s over the limit. That’s what this piece is about. You don’t need to agree with me and neither do I have to agree with you. There were many opposed to what he did and there were some who didn’t care. Lauda didn’t only made those comments right after the race, he did them an hour later, a day later and even a week later. And max was going on camera blaming Ferrari and saying he wanted revenge. That is a fact. There are images of that. Since when is pulling a stunt at 350kph for revenge having respect for the guy you’re racing with? As for me not having respect for others opinion, that’s just false. But if your only objective is to attack me then I will answer to that. Why? Because that’s how a discussion works. And for the very last time I never said you have to agree with me. And vice versa. You’re a stranger on the Internet… but clearly you let your fanboi mannerisms get the better of your judgement, so be it. Perhaps my next piece will be about the fact that I now love max, how you converted me. How I, because of you, saw the light. I mean, the boy essentially is the new baby jesus. He can do nothing wrong, as he is the son of God. Hooray for max
From one self-professed, miserable c%&t to another, thank you for sharing your thoughts here.
Two thumbs up on the content.
My condolences on your loss.
Thank you
Sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine what you are going through but I hope you can find your way around it all..
I agree with the point made about Max that he lacks respect (so far). If it was another driver (like Crashtor?) there would probably be a different opinion from people.
Exactly. Why/ when has it become a bad thing to admit someone can be wrong? It’s from our faults that we learn.
This is hands down the best article Ive ever read on TJ13. More articles from you please sir.
There are some. Type my name in the search bar ( if you’re visiting on your mobile it’s in the top right corner) and you’ll see them.
Or go to https://bruznic.wordpress.com/ but here at the judge the comment section is alive. At my wordpress it isn’t 😃
There are some. Type my name in the search bar ( if you’re visiting on your mobile it’s in the top right corner) and you’ll see them.
Jeeze bruznic… What an ordeal… My condoleances, I’m sorry for your loss…
There is little comfort for the ones left behind when someone dies doing the thing he or she loves.
I am sad to say that I’ve ridden to many rideouts with the passenger pegs down… It gets to me sometimes, and it probably will keep doing so.
I find it very strong that you wrote this article to express your feelings and that TJ13 published it. I have no problem with that, just respect.
I wish for you that it helps you in your grieving proces in time you can give it a place.
Furthermore I personally don’t feel its right for me to even start questioning it’s contents, .it just doesn’t when the writing is about one’s feelings. There are so many mixed emotions involved. And any outing of emotion should be encouraged if it helps in the grievingproces. A voice of a fan, and it’s good to have read it.
I have been reading TJ13’s comments to little to have seen or judge comments. Just want to add that you shouldn’t pay to much attention to unurgumented onelined disrespectfull comments, It’s way to easy just for some to just shout their socalled opinions over the internet. Don’t let that get under your skin, you just can’t explain everything to everyone. There is no point in explaining when one isn’t open to listen to arguments.
Well, I don’t mind if you question anything of it. It’s how this site works, imo. And I love it that way. Believe me, nothing of this goes under my skin. I just try to learn from it all. And for someone to give his or her sincere opinion is rewarding for me too, in a way. It’s not that I have to have everyone agree with me. The world would be so dull if it were that way. But anyway thanks for your comment.
Lewis Hamilton has a dog named Rosco.
David Coulthard had … several pretty and blond girlfriends.
Button and Webber are tri-athletes in their spare time. Webber broke his leg mountain biking and tried to speed up the healing by doing exercises in the freezer.
Häkkinen divorced his wive Erja, the woman that got more airtime in the late 90’s than Minardi.
Schumacher has build a ranch for cowboy horseback riding (or however it is called).
Ecclestones Ex owns the hotel next to Circuit Paul Ricards.
Most F1 drivers live in Monaco because it’s conveniently close to Nice airport (yeah right ! ).
All nice or interesting or funny trivia.
And I haven’t even started about which driver said what about whom.
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And I won’t ! Because in the end it’s all … erhm … male cows defecation.
What really matters is what happens On track. How drivers do their talking behind the wheel.
And Boy does Max know how to tell a good story !